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America As We've Known It Is Finished
phil scott > wrote:
> On Nov 30, 12:49 am, "Rod Speed" > wrote:
>> phil scott > wrote:
>>> On Nov 29, 4:54 pm, wrote:
>>>> On Nov 29, 6:45 pm, greg3347 > wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Nov 29, 12:42 pm, WakeUp Call > wrote:
>>
>>>>>> America's Day Of
>>>>>> Reckoning Is At Hand
>>>>>> By Paul Craig Roberts
>>>>>> 11-27-7
>>
>>>>>> http://rense.com/general79/reck.htm
>>
>>>>>> Pat Buchanan is too patriotic to come right out and say it, but
>>>>>> the message of his new book, Day of Reckoning, is that America,
>>>>>> as we have known her, is finished. Moreover, Naomi Wolf agrees
>>>>>> with him. These two writers of different political persuasions
>>>>>> arrive at America's demise from different directions.
>>
>>>>>> Buchanan explains how hubris, ideology, and greed have torn
>>>>>> America apart. A neoconservative cabal with an alien agenda
>>>>>> captured the Bush administration and committed American blood,
>>>>>> energy, and money to aggression against Muslim countries in the
>>>>>> Middle East, while permitting America's domestic borders to be
>>>>>> overrun by immigrants and exporting the jobs that had made the
>>>>>> US an opportunity society. War and offshoring have taken a savage
>>>>>> economic toll while open borders and diversity have created
>>>>>> social and political division.
>>
>>>>>> In her new book, End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young
>>>>>> Patriot, Wolf explains America's demise in terms of the erosion
>>>>>> of freedoms. She writes that the 10 classic steps that are used
>>>>>> to close open societies are currently being taken in the US.
>>>>>> Martial law is only a declaration away.
>>
>>>>>> The Bush administration responded to September 11 by initiating
>>>>>> military aggression in the Middle East and by using fear and the
>>>>>> "war on terror" to implement police state measures at home with
>>>>>> legislation, presidential directives, and executive orders
>>
>>>>>> Overnight the US became a tyranny in which people could be
>>>>>> arrested and incarcerated on the basis of unsubstantiated
>>>>>> accusation. Both US citizens and non-citizens were denied habeas
>>>>>> corpus, due process, and access to attorneys and courts.
>>>>>> Congress gave Bush legislation establishing military tribunals,
>>>>>> the procedures of which permit people to be condemned to death
>>>>>> on the basis of secret evidence, hearsay, and confessions
>>>>>> extracted by torture. Nothing of the like has ever been seen
>>>>>> before in the US.
>>
>>>>>> The cancer might have metastasized if the Guantanamo detainees
>>>>>> had actually been the dangerous terrorists and enemy combatants
>>>>>> that the Bush regime declared them to be. Had the administration
>>>>>> actually possessed evidence against the detainees, the Bush
>>>>>> regime might have succeeded in dispensing with the Constitution.
>>>>>> Conviction of the detainees could have led to what Wolf calls a
>>>>>> "fascist expansion." Following the exercise of its new powers,
>>>>>> the regime could have broadened the definition of terrorist to
>>>>>> include the regime's critics, thus pulling citizens in general
>>>>>> into tribunals devoid of civil liberty protections.
>>
>>>>>> It could still turn out this way in the event of another 9/11
>>>>>> attack, whether real or orchestrated. But momentarily the drive
>>>>>> toward tyranny has been blunted, because the vast majority of
>>>>>> detainees turned out to be hapless individuals sold into American
>>>>>> captivity by warlords responding to the bounty the US paid for
>>>>>> "terrorists." Any unprotected individual was vulnerable to being
>>>>>> captured by Afghan and Pakistani warlords and sold as a
>>>>>> "terrorist." The Americans needed to show results, and the Bush
>>>>>> regime needed "terrorists" in order to feed the fear its
>>>>>> propaganda had generated.
>>
>>>>>> In Stalinist Russia or Nazi Germany, the absence of evidence
>>>>>> would not have mattered as the judicial system produced the
>>>>>> results demanded by the tyrants. However, the US military had
>>>>>> not been sufficiently corrupted for the Bush regime's Guantanamo
>>>>>> agenda to succeed. Honorable officers, such as Lt. Col. Stephen
>>>>>> Abraham, were able to discern that the US government had no
>>>>>> information on the detainees and used interrogations in order to
>>>>>> rubber stamp the a priori determination that a detainee was a
>>>>>> terrorist or enemy combatant. Military officers made these
>>>>>> revelations known to real courts before the tribunal process
>>>>>> could establish itself.
>>
>>>>>> CounterPunch writer Andy Worthington's recently published book,
>>>>>> The Guantanamo Files: The Stories of the 759 Detainees in
>>>>>> America's Illegal Prison, proves that the regime's claim that it
>>>>>> had hundreds of dangerous terrorists at Guantanamo was just
>>>>>> another Bush administration lie.
>>
>>>>>> Currently, support for Bush, Cheney, and the neoconservative
>>>>>> agenda is low. However, Congress, the press, and elections have
>>>>>> proven to be feeble opponents of the Bush regime's drive toward
>>>>>> war and tyranny. It remains to be seen whether the regime has
>>>>>> sufficient credibility or audacity to initiate war with Iran or a
>>>>>> false flag attack that would revive the fascist expansion of
>>>>>> which Naomi Wolf warns.
>>
>>>>>> The Bush administration has been a catastrophe. Its failures are
>>>>>> unprecedented. Energy prices are at all time highs. The US is
>>>>>> deeply in debt and dependent on foreign creditors. The dollar has
>>>>>> lost 60 per cent of its value against other tradable currencies,
>>>>>> and its reserve currency status, the basis of American power, is
>>>>>> in doubt. The US has lost millions of middle class jobs which
>>>>>> have been replaced with low paid domestic service jobs. Except
>>>>>> for the very rich, Americans have experienced no gains in real
>>>>>> income in the 21st century. As the ladders of upward mobility
>>>>>> are dismantled and the middle class struggles and fails, America
>>>>>> is left with a few rich and many poor. America's reputation and
>>>>>> credibility are damaged perhaps beyond repair. Congress and the
>>>>>> press have enabled the executive branch's disregard of the
>>>>>> Constitution and civil liberty. The US is mired in two lost wars
>>>>>> which are pushing Lebanon and nuclear-armed Pakistan into
>>>>>> deepening political crises.
>>
>>>>>> As Buchanan concludes, "Our day of reckoning is at hand."
>>
>>>>>> Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the
>>>>>> Reagan Administration. He is the author of Supply-Side Revolution
>>
>>>>> America needs something catastrophic to remove the rotting pillars
>>>>> barely holding up the carcass
>>>>> of what was at one time, a nation. And out of the chaos our
>>>>> EuroAmerican
>>>>> Tribe will recreate a new nation. Dow at 8,500, gas 4.50 a gallon,
>>>>> riots. Welcome them.
>>
>>>>> greg
>>
>>>>> http://www.vdare.com/V-Dare
>>
>>>> the dow would still be over valued at 8,500. 3000-5000, maybe.
>>>> but, a poor economy with no intervention for the true creators of
>>>> wealth, with no way for those creators to innovate competing with
>>>> serfs, and those innovators will put money to better use, instead
>>>> money is thrown at rent seekers, this may well feed on itself, and
>>>> the dow at 5000 may look high.
>>> thats about right imo.
>>
>> More fool you.
>>
>>> the rentier class
>>
>> No such animal except in your pathetic little drug crazed
>> fantasyland.
>>
>>> does not value the wealth production class,
>>
>> No such animal except in your pathetic little drug crazed
>> fantasyland.
>>
>>> they use it,, when its used up then the entire mess collapses, with
>>> no recourse..
>>
>> How odd that that has never actually happened,
>> except in your pathetic little drug crazed fantasyland.
>>
>>> and our newy risen serf level compettion
>>
>> No such animal except in your pathetic little drug crazed
>> fantasyland.
>>
>>> insures that wages will stay so low as to preclude
>>> re emergence of a high end consumer economy...
>>
>> No such animal except in your pathetic little drug crazed
>> fantasyland.
>>
>>> the kind that kept rentiers rich.
>>
>> No such animal except in your pathetic little drug crazed
>> fantasyland.
>>
>>> accordingly we see the results in other nations. entrprise fades,
>>> and without a rich USA to sell into, those economies suffer also...
>>
>> Have fun actually listing any of those.
>>
>>> corporations by their nature provide a race to the bottom...
>>
>> Easy to claim, hell of a lot harder to actually substantiate that
>> claim.
>>
>>> the top tenth of 1% win, the bottom 99% lay awake nights
>>> figuring out how to kill them... and they always do,
>>
>> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed rabid fantasys.-
> drugs and trash jobs.. that was impressive
Your pathetic response in spades, child.
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