Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

>
> "Default User" > wrote in message
> > >
> > > When the solstice was noticed to be the start of a season,
> > > December did not exist as we know it today.
> >
> > So? We're talking about today.
> >
>
> But the solar system and the universe is not going to change to suite
> what you perceive as a handy calendar. The solstice is a reliable
> mthod of marking a date, easty to use to mark as the start of
> something consistenly. There is no wishy washy first Tuesday after
> the first Monday sort of thing. The seasons are not tied to the
> calendar as we know it today.

Ridiculous. There is no scientific or seasonal basis for calling that
first day of winter. None whatsoever. Your attempts to shift the
argument are futile.


> > > The ancients were very attuned to
> > > the sky and not the Playboy calendar hanging on the cave wall.
> >
> > But they didn't run around telling everyone that the solstice was
> > the START of winter.
>
> They knew it was the start of something, new season, new year, the
> days getting longer.

Right. But THEY were smart enough to know it wasn't the start of
winter. Thanks for finally agreeing with me.

It was something that happened at the same time
> and was predictable. They used their powers of observation far more
> then most of us do today when it comes to following the seasons.

And got it right.

> Now that is laughable. You evidently don't read well or you'd know
> how it became the start of winter. You can put aside the facts in
> your mind, but they still exist, no matter how inconvenient for your
> needs. The solstice is a mark, the start of a change.

So. What? It isn't the start of winter. That's the point. You keep
trying to evade because you know that you don't really have any basis
for it. Not scientifically. Not according to the ancients.

Now, we have to put with dopey weather people (and others) saying
things like, "can you believe it's so cold on December 12th, when it's
not even winter yet?" In fact, it's been winter for quite some time.



Brian

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