"Default User" > wrote in message
>
> Ridiculous. There is no scientific or seasonal basis for calling that
> first day of winter. None whatsoever. Your attempts to shift the
> argument are futile.

Read what I originally wrote. I stated the solstice is a time marker, a good
time to use as the start of something. I never stated it is winter. Call it
summer, call it Flower Day or Snow Day or whatever you damn well please.
But what you cannot do is deny that is is the start of the change of the
length of the day.



>> They knew it was the start of something, new season, new year, the
>> days getting longer.
>
> Right. But THEY were smart enough to know it wasn't the start of
> winter. Thanks for finally agreeing with me.

That is what I said in the beginning. YOU tried to put the word winter in
my mouth. Below is the origina exchange
"Default User" > wrote in message
>
> I don't know who came with that silly "first day of XX" for the
> solstices and equinoxes, but there's absolutely no astronomical or
> meterological basis for it.

It's just easier to make a known event the start of something rather than
the middle of it. Not much different than having 12 numbers on a clock
face.

Note that "winter" was not mentioned.



>
> So. What? It isn't the start of winter. That's the point. You keep
> trying to evade because you know that you don't really have any basis
> for it. Not scientifically. Not according to the ancients.


>
> Now, we have to put with dopey weather people (and others) saying
> things like, "can you believe it's so cold on December 12th, when it's
> not even winter yet?" In fact, it's been winter for quite some time.

Winter in your mind maybe, but not for the rest of us. Since you'd rather
argue something arbitrary rather than use actual facts of what I said, you
may have the last word and therefore "win".