"usual suspect" > wrote in message
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> Belial wrote:
> >>I'm all for getting your nutrition through regular meals rather than
> >>supplementation, but I really recommend you do a little more research
> >>into protein intake as it relates to health problems. Exercise is a
> >>wonderful thing, too, but it should add to health and not detract from
> >>it. Frankly, sounds like your priorities are out of whack.
> >
> > Thanks for all the advice
>
> You're welcome.
>
> > Just to clarify, I'm not particularly image-conscious. I've started to
> > take weight-lifting more seriously only because I enjoy it, not because
> > I wanna turn into an ape Increasing protein was because if I'm going
> > the work I want to get the most out of it, and most things I've read
seem
> > to say you need heaps of protein to do that.
>
> "Getting the most out of it" is relative. I still hear you saying that
> you want to add bulk even though you say you're not particularly
> image-conscious. If your goal is good health, then bulking up is
> irrelevant and consuming a lot more protein is beside the point (not to
> mention pretty hard on your body).
>
> The mere act of resistance training is very beneficial, helping to
> strengthen connective tissues, bone, not to mention increasing your
> metabolism. Those things are all healthy, whether you add additional
> protein to your diet or not. I applaud such effort.
>
> Is "bulking up" inherently healthy, though? I don't think it is. You
> could make a case that adding x amount of lean tissue will improve your
> metabolism, but I'd counter that y amount plus cardio work will speed it
> up even faster and offer more health benefits. Going for protein
> overkill is unhealthy in either case. It all goes back to your real
> goal: are you doing it for health or for appearance?
I don't think sulking up and cardio is mutually exclusive although lots of
meat eating lifters would laugh at my cardio- from my experience you can do
both-but I do have borderline high blood pressure(so does my father)
but am a bit bulked up--personally I think a bit of lifting and running is
wonderful-gets those endorphins going and you look and feel wonderful-it is
nice having big arms and chest--ha ha..It might a bit slower on veg diet but
I have always been one...for serious competitive bulking I don't know....
Michael


>
> You're going to have a healthy appearance just from working out with
> regularity and some measure of intensity. I guess that's not enough for
> some people.
>
> > I thought 50% was a little high.. I'll read up on the info you
> > have me.
>
> Good deal. I'd also encourage you to do your own research. The links I
> gave aren't even the tip of an iceberg.
>
> > As for priorities.. I'm a vegetarian who's slowly moving towards vegan.
> > I'm not about to go on an animal eating rampage just so I can bulk up -
I
> > just wanted to know if there was a "vegan" way to do it.
>
> Only in a most unnatural way, by focusing on protein isolates from soy,
> nuts, and other plant-based foods. Remember that soy is loaded with
> phytoestrogens. Estrogens in any form aren't beneficial to bodybuilders
> since they "soften" things. I know guys at my gym who won't touch soy at
> all because of that. If you want the big, hard look, you'll have to go
> with the non-fat dairy products, and probably skinless chicken and
> turkey breast meat as well as low-fat cuts like tenderloin.
>
> > Pretty much every
> > vegetarian recipe I can find that has high protein also has high fat and
a
> > whole lot of dairy. Guess it's supplients and a whole lot of soy milk
and
> > soygurt for me...
>
> That's a lot of phytoestrogen, too.
>
> http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/satter6.htm
> http://www.cheapbodybuildingsuppleme...estrogen.shtml
> http://www.t-mag.com/articles/185soy.html
>
> I don't agree with all the conclusions in the above articles, but I do
> agree that overconsumption of soy, like any other food, can have some
> nasty consequences. That's particularly true the more processed foods
> are -- and soy protein powders concentrate the protein isolates AND
> isoflavones. Isoflavones are estrogenic. Please do your own research on
> all this. Estrogens soften, they're feminizing hormones. You already get
> them from the environment.
>
> That's another reason why I've not exactly been encouraging of your
> dietary goals, but I do encourage you to keep lifting. Keep your focus
> on what's *healthy*, not on the appearance factor. I do wish you well.
>