Rat & Swan wrote:

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> Bill wrote:
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>> Raising animals destined for human consumption is not unjust.
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> This has potential. Why not, in your opinion?

I'm not interested in going over old ground with you,
bitch. You aren't saying anything new, and what you
said over several years was entirely unpersuasive and
shot full of holes.

Let's answer this one question, though, with a
redirection. The burden is not on me to show that it
is just, as you are the one seeking to implement a
radical change. You need to show that it *is* unjust,
and why, in a way that is persuasive. You never came
close before, and I doubt you will now. You're a waste
of time, and you shouldn't be back here.

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>>> of animals in our society is a result
>>> of the lack of consideration of animals' rights and animals'
>>> intrinsic worth which comes from our seeing animals as things,
>>> as products, to be bought and sold.
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>> No. It isn't due to their potential status as property. You are
>> simply wrong about that.
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> Why? Have you read Francione's book on the subject?
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>>> Everything else, including CDs, comes from that system.
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>> No, that's completely false.
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> Why?
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>>CDs are not related in any way to property status of food animals.
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> Why not? I think Francione makes a persuasive case they are.

Francione doesn't address CDs.