Derek wrote:

> "Bill" > wrote in message . net...
>
>>Derek wrote:
>>
>>>"Bill/Jonathan Ball/etc. etc." > wrote in message .net...
>>>
>>>>Derek wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Bill/Jonathan Ball/etc. etc." > wrote in message . net...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Which "vegans" here on usenet have done *anything*
>>>>>>concrete to stop killing them? None.
>>>>>
>>>>>Which vegans here on Usenet have done *anything*
>>>>>concrete to start killing them? None.
>>>>
>>>>All of them
>>>
>>>False.
>>
>>No, true.
>>
>
> It cannot be.

It is.

> Logic insists farmers cause them,

No, it doesn't, you ignorant idiot.

> so they are to blame.

You are as well, if there's anything wrong with
collateral deaths, which your view of animals necessitates.

>
>
>>>Vegans are not the cause of animal or human
>>>collateral deaths in agriculture.
>>
>>"vegans" are morally complicit in the collateral deaths
>>of animals, if there is anything wrong with it at all.
>
>
> There's plenty wrong with it, and farmers are to blame,

Then so are you.

>
>
>> You don't need to trade with the farmer; you choose
>>to do so, rewarding him each and every time.
>>
>
> I only reward him for what I buy from him. I do not buy
> the deaths he causes, so they are his.

You pay him for having farmed, period. You get all of
it. The collateral deaths are morally inseparable from
the food.

This is established beyond reasonable dispute.

>
>
>>This is not in honest dispute.