SMS <SMS >> wrote:

> Sqwertz wrote:
>> SMS <SMS >> wrote:
>>
>>> I guess what he thinks is that the reason that the kosher products sell
>>> better is unrelated to the fact that even many non-Jews prefer to buy
>>> kosher products when available.
>>
>> Name one Kosher product that sells better than an equivalent
>> non-kosher product. Concord grape wine doesn't count.
>
> Campbell's Vegetarian vegetable soup.

I guess I phrased that challenge poorly. Campbells sells more soup,
period. It did not attain that status by getting kosher
certification for a few (or one) of it's products.

I was thinking more along the lines of the kosher branded
items/manufacturers Like hot dogs, or poultry, or ...

> Of course your premise is
> incredibly stupid to begin with. As soon as a manufacturer realizes that
> his kosher competition is selling better he runs out and gets certified.

That's incredibly stupid as brands like Hebrew national or Empire
Kosher would never have market domination.

> Actually you could compare almost any of the canned foods coming in from
> Mexico and China versus similar canned food products in the U.S., but
> this would be as dishonest as what you're doing. The Mexican generics
> sell for much less, and sell in lower volumes, but it's not because of
> certification (though if consumers had the assurance of the
> certification they'd likely be more willing to risk buying these
> products). They only sell at all because they're cheap.
>
>>
>>> That is correct. Of course the other chicken growers are free to add
>>> more salt to their product, but it probably wouldn't help the taste much
>>> since the mass produced chickens taste so bad to begin with.
>>
>> I guess this is why Empire Kosher is outselling Foster Farms and
>> Butterball, right?
>
> Meat products are very different than other kosher products. Kosher meat
> products are usually much more expensive because of the extra production
> costs. However if you want to compare sales growth rates, Empire is
> probably growing faster because of both increased demand for kosher meat
> products and because of the high rating they get in taste tests.
>
> Look at a product that was not certified then became certified, i.e.
> Campbell's Vegetarian Vegetable soup. They made no changes to the
> ingredients, they simply made changes to the production process, i.e.
> not using machinery also used for non-kosher products. They did this for
> one reason: to sell more units in order to make more money.
>
>> Are you two out of straw men yet?
>
> Since you're the one claiming that kosher products don't sell more
> because of the certification, it's up to you to provide a citation or
> reference that contradicts all the ones that have already been posted.

Again, more straw men. I never said they don't sell more because of
that. There you go quoting things I didn't say. If anything, I
explicitly said the opposite if you care to review the thread. The
increased sales are attributed to people who think they're getting a
more wholesome product.

Obviously people that are kosher will seek out the certificated
products, thus making them sell more than they would had they not
been claimed kosher.

> Obviously you can't do this, or you would have done so already.

I still haven't seen anything that convinces me. The few quotes I
saw were ridiculous claims not based on logic. Which I already
disputed.

> You've created a straw man, by trying to compare the sale of totally
> different products, one kosher one non-kosher, selling at wildly
> different prices, rather than address the actual reason that a
> manufacturer decides to certify their product, which is to increase
> sales of a specific SKU.
>
> Now if you found two versions of the same product that were exactly the
> same in both ingredients and marketing, other than one version being
> kosher and one not being kosher, you might be able to make a valid
> comparison.

Butterball vs Empire. Ball Park vs Hebrew National.

Happy now? This is getting boring. You will never convince me that
you and any other person who follows religious dietary restrictions
are of sane mind and body. And nothing short of a scientifically
conducted poll would convince us that kosher products do/don't sell
better among non-koshers because they're kosher.

> Since the cost of certification is in the thousands of a
> cent per unit sold,

More exaggeration to support your claim, even if the differenmce
between 1/1000th of a cent and $.01 is still less than $.01.

-sw