On 28 May, 19:57, Laurie > wrote:
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> * * * * Missed the point?
> * * * * Let me repeat; if you are claiming that humans are natural
> 'omnivores', then do you kill, dismember, and eat raw your
> animal prey as all natural 'omnivores' do, with your natural
> physiology? *No guns, no knives, no fire. *If not, why not?
We certainly used to - but as with all processes, world has moved on.
We now pay other people to specialize in things we no longer have time
for.
Let me pose a counterquestion: do you grow ALL your food, cultivate
the cotton and linen for your clothes, spin the thread, weave the
cloth, cut and sew the clothes, build the computer you use from
scratch (and I DO NOT mean from components either) etc, etc, etc? If
not, why not?
I would think your reply would be the same as mine.
> > So cleanly killing a deer does not bother me the
> > slightest.
>
> * * * * I am not referring to one's choice to consume animals, that
> is a choice you are free to make as an adult, and I respect
> that. *But, I am focusing on the fact that humans are not
> NATURAL 'omnivores', but are CULTURAL 'omnivores',
> conditioned to do so by extant cultural programming -before-
> one can think for one's self. *So, your 'free will' does not
> exist in such practices because you did not make the
> informed 'choice' to do so.
See my previous reply. As you claim to be a NATURAL vegan, do you
cultivate or gather everything you eat?
As regards the human history, cracked and burnt animal bones are found
everywhere in archaeological digs, from the earliest human sites on.
If you claim this is culturally conditioned, when did this culture in
your opinion start and why?
> > Now kindly present a single peer-reviewed article from a
> > *medical journal that backs your assertion that viral
> > influenza is just your body detoxicating.
>
> * * * * Unlike the epidemiology readily available showing the
> undeniable relationship between meat consumption and
> "degenerative diseases", I have not found any epidemiology
> relating diet to "influenza;" apparently, this type of
> research is being neglected. *Can you find any?
No, all I can find relates to viral, infectious influenza - and the
literature on that is extensive.
Could the reason possibly be that the virus infection - inflluenza
cause-effect be rather well documented and researched?
> * * * * My personal experience is that I had numerous "colds/flus"
> every year until I changed my diet in 1969, and I have not
> had any such events since then. *Countless vegans, and
> especially raw vegans, have experienced the same results.
> * * * * Now, this may be because our immunological systems have
> gotten 'stronger' by not being suppressed by the toxins
> associated with the consumption of animal products. *I don't
> know the mechanism, just the results.
One possibility I can think offhand (and I admit I'm no M.D.) is that
something has strenghtened your immune system. People have different
immune systems, and that tends to be part genetic and part depending
on external influences. For example, my partner and I have the same
diet. I get every single cold and flu going, he gets nothing
whatsoever (and I guess I don't need to tell you how annoying that
is!)
> > And while you are at it, kindly explain why such a
> > 'natural process' would become an epidemic.
>
> * * * * If the average person has a compromised immune
> system, then similar stresses (change in temperatu the
> "cold") might create the illusion of interpersonal transmission.
> * * * * Could you explain the etiology of the creation and
> expulsion of excessive mucus in the "cold/flu"?
Being no MD, as I said, quoting a source is the best I can do:
"The entire tubular system for bringing air into the lungs is coated
by a moist mucous membrane that helps to clean the air and fight
infection. In the case of a cold, the mucous membrane is fighting any
one of over 200 viruses. If the immune system is unsuccessful in
warding off such a virus, the nasal passages and other parts of the
upper respiratory tract become inflamed, swollen, and congested, thus
interfering with the breathing process. The body uses the reflex
actions of sneezing and coughing to expel mucus, a thick sticky
substance that comes from the mucous membranes and other secretions.
These secretions come up from the infected areas as phlegm.
Coughing is a reflex action that helps to expel infected mucus or
phlegm from the airways of the lungs by causing the diaphragm to
contract spasmodically. It is characterized by loud explosive sounds
that can often indicate the nature of the discomfort. While coughing
is irritating and uncomfortable, losing the ability to cough can be
fatal in an illness such as pneumonia, where coughing is essential to
break up the mucous and other infected secretions produced by the body
in its battle against the disease."
http://science.jrank.org/pages/5839/...-Diseases.html
Dragonblaze