usual suspect posted on alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian

> Diary products and eggs aren't byproducts of the farming industry
> as I used to believe. Milk keeps the veal industry alive

Good. The demand for veal is increasing again.

> and eggs are
> produced from birds which suffer terribly.

No, they are not. You've apparently been watching propaganda video taken of
the
most extreme cases of abuse. Such cases are not the norm in agriculture, and
in
most cases the videos you've seen have been used to prosecute bad operators.

"Birds which suffer terribly" don't lay good eggs. Stop pretending that
farmers
don't care about good products -- those are the ones that make them the most
money.
http://www.nda.agric.za/docs/eggprod/default.htm
http://www.sp.uconn.edu/~mdarre/poul...factsheet.html
http://ulisse.cas.psu.edu/ext/Comeggs.html

> Adding these two products
> to my -no- list improves my health

Not necessarily. Where do you get your calcium, zinc, iron, B12, etc.? Are
you
getting all the essential amino acids?

> and ensures I don't have anything
> to do with the animal side of farming at all.

It doesn't mean you have no blood on your hands. Many more animals die as a
result of your vegan diet than would if you were to eat a diet of homegrown
vegetables and grazed ruminants (including game).

http://eesc.orst.edu/agcomwebfile/news/food/vegan.html

The reality of your "cruelty-free" diet:
http://www.bds.org.uk/Research/Silag...entperrier.htm

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heres my reply
"> Adding these two products
> to my -no- list improves my health
Not necessarily. Where do you get your calcium, zinc, iron, B12, etc.? Are
you
getting all the essential amino acids?"

Most farmers inject hormones into cows and hens to give a better "crop" of
eggs and milk. These hormones cause medical problems for these animals, most
of the "side effects" result in shortened life, extreme fatique, nerve
damage, nausea, and Anemia(lowered rate of red blood cells in the body and
lowered ratio of oxygen, happens to a women with aids, farmers must
administer HIV medicine to counter this effect.) These hormones, transfer to
the human body after digesting the milk, eggs. Even in this small amount,
they may harm a women while on her period causeing many health problems, and
men by lowering sperm count.

The second thing--
"Where do you get your calcium, zinc, iron, B12, etc.? Are you getting all
the essential amino acids?"
I get all them at twice the needed rate and more from a pill that is free of
any products from animals.


"It doesn't mean you have no blood on your hands. Many more animals
die as a result of your vegan diet than would if you were to eat a diet of
homegrown vegetables and grazed ruminants (including game)."

That site that you got that from is bullshit, more animals live because of
crops being grown,
most farmers allow these rats and rabbits ect, to graze on the crop, the
farmers industrial
and small, see it as free natural feralizer, although there is a heightened
loss of flies because
of the rodents, the ratio of vegan to normal meat dieters animal death is
aboot 30-to-10,000
the 30 is natural while the 10k is separated aboot 9.6k non-natural to 300
semi-natural 100 natural.

So vegan"ism" is better for the world.