On Wed, 12 May 2004 15:06:59 GMT, Jonathan Ball > wrote:

>ipse dixit wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 11 May 2004 11:49:38 -0700, "Dutch" > wrote:
>>
>>>"ipse dixit" > wrote
>>>
>>>>>>>>Dutch wrote:
>>>>>>>>Cruel also means simply causing pain and
>>>>>>>>suffering, based on that definition, nature
>>>>>>>>is arguably more cruel than captivity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>PERFECT! Thanks for offering your stupidity to this, Dutch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I JUST CAN'T STOP LAUGHING AT MY OWN COLOSSAL STUPIDITY!
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, suit yourself, prick-cheese.
>>>>
>>>>That timing was a peach. Admit it; you laughed your
>>>>****ing head off. The perfect close to a long day.
>>>>See you tomorrow, Jon.
>>>
>>>Scurry away
>>
>>
>> "Get this, ****WIT:
>>
>> If a predator kills a prey animal, there is no moral
>> meaning to it.
>>
>> If you prevent a predator from killing prey, you have
>> not done a good deed.
>>
>> Comparing our treatment of livestock to predators'
>> "treatment" of prey is misguided at best, and stupid
>> when you keep doing it after having had explained to
>> you why it's misguided.
>>
>> One more to jam down your throat with my boot,
>> ****WIT: non-human predators are never cruel.
>> They can't be."
>> Jonathan Ball to a ****wit 2004-05-11
>>
>> It's clear that you believe natural predation is cruel
>> and that removing it is a benefit to wild animals.
>
>You're replying to a post by Dutch. How does offering
>something I've said allow you to reach any conclusion
>about what Dutch believes?

It's something you wrote to a ****wit, and Dutch
IS a ****wit. He's always been a ****wit.

"Pigs and cows are domesticated animals that
we create, breed and raise, giving them a life as
David says, in exchange for the use of their hides.
We give them life. They give us their lives, and
our lifestyles. It's a mutually beneficial contract,
which I believe includes treating them with respect."
Dutch 2001-01-19

He knows it, too. In context;

> > [start Dutch]
> > Pigs and cows are domesticated animals that
> > we create, breed and raise, giving them a life
> > as David says, in exchange for the use of their
> > hides. We give them life. They give us their
> > lives, and our lifestyles. It's a mutually beneficial
> > contract, which I believe includes treating them
> > with respect. The only contract I have with mice
> > is you get out of my grain and I won't kill you.
> > Isn't that the way YOU look at mice? Maybe
> > we're not so different after all.
> [Polly]
> Although we know there's no literal "contract", I
> do like your way of stating the fact that both humans
> and animals benefit from the animals' domestication.
[Dutch]
Thanks. I am beginning to find myself quoting David..
who'da thunk???
Dutch http://tinyurl.com/2jdml

"The cow is our benefactor in a mutually beneficial
partnership."
Dutch 2001-01-21

heh heh heh