"usual suspect" > wrote in message ...
> You've not said a word about the stuff relating to Coleman's

As a rule I don't comment on someone's *personal* health matters,
unless asked to of course. Of course you have no such decency.

> wild claims about his cholesterol levels.

Ipse dixit. John has given me no reason to doubt his word, unlike you.

> I'd hoped you were serious enough and had enough
> integrity that you'd urge him to come clean.

You're trying to mix it, snake. It won't work.

> You said that my skepticism about
> the information you cited from his vegan motorcyclist website was "ad hominem,"

It is. You've never been able to disprove the cites posted, nor any of his material.

> but I wonder if you still think so now that he's been exposed as a fraud.

You wish. YOU have been exposed as a low-down LIAR, REPEATEDLY.

> He told me before that his serum cholesterol was "a shade over 2[00]," and he
> now claims his raw diet caused a drop of over half. That means his cholesterol,
> at some point in time, was in excess of 400. I want to see proof, but I know he
> has none. Don't you want your source of so much information to prove his
> anecdotal claims?

I've no reason to disbelieve what he wrote. Neither do you. You're grasping.

> By my count, you've cited Coleman's old site over 150 times
> (and that doesn't include any possible redirects using tinyurl, etc.) as "proof"
> for many of your own claims.

And I will use it many times more, G-W. A terrific resource, so it is.

> I think you need to address Coleman and his situation.

Hah. You're jealous of his superior knowledge. Sort yourself out, kiddo.

> Coleman said:
> > So how come my cholesterol dropped over 50% on a raw diet?
>
> I replied:
>
> First, I don't believe your cholesterol was over 400.
>
> I don't eat any dead animals. My TC is a shade over 2, what's
> yours?
> -- Orthorexic John Coleman, http://snipurl.com/6gj2
>
> Perhaps you can post any previous cholesterol results on your new
> website to prove this claim. Otherwise, I consider you a stupid ****ing
> liar and all your anecdotes fall EXACTLY in the realm of testifying or
> testiLYING.

Pah. You, twister, can go climb a tall tree in a raging storm for all we care.

> Second, even if your level was ever above 400, it remains a post hoc
> fallacy. I don't know what your diet was like before you changed, but
> raw food alone wouldn't cause such a drop in serum cholesterol. If your
> previous diet included *large* amounts (and they would be excessive
> amounts to raise your cholesterol that high) saturated fat from dairy
> and trans-fats from processed vegetarian foods, then I'd understand such
> a drop. Losing the saturated fat -- trans and otherwise -- gets the
> credit, not raw food.

I don't know what his diet was like before it was changed either,
but, to hazard a guess for the reason for such a large change in
serum cholesterol levels, beyond different quantities of dietary
macro-nutrient constituents, - possibly predisposition to a liver
disorder affecting indigenous cholesterol production, precipitated
by the strain from eating cooked foods (see below) and vice-
versa -- whole raw foods enabled healthy proper liver function.
('These health conditions may increase a person's risk for high
cholesterol: · alcohol abuse · diabetes · kidney disease · liver
disease · underactive thyroid gland, called hypothyroidism '
http://health.discovery.com/diseases...opedia/30.html )

['Cooked food passes through the digestive tract more slowly
than raw food, tends to ferment, and throws poisons back into
the body. [..] Of course, it is important to have fiber in the diet
to scrub the colon walls clean, but even more important are the
enzymes which will allow proper digestion and assimilation of
vital nutrients. Cooked food often passes into the bloodstream
as unsplit molecules that are deposited, as waste, in various
parts of the body. [..] Raw foods do not produce this reaction.
All raw foods contain exactly the right enzymes required to split
every last molecule into the basic building blocks of metabolism:
Amino acids (from protein), glucose (from complex carbohydrates)
and essential fatty acids (from unsaturated vegetable fats). '
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/rawfood.htm]

> Coleman uses his personal "testimony" (i.e., anecdotal info) to support his
> claims about raw diets. As one of his supporters, you should ask him to prove
> his claims about his cholesterol or admit his brazen lies, come clean about all
> his other distortions of his health

You brazenly lie about everyone, and everything. You're projecting.

> (we also know now that he is B12 and D deficient),

How do you know that?

> and promise to cease making outlandish health claims like his one
> about his cholesterol.

Ipse dixit.

> I counted some 75 hits for his site searching your posts
> as "pearl" and another 80 hits as "Lotus."

And it's more than likely that there'll be many more in the future.

> This deserves an answer.

What happened to the 'whose property is it' thread, 'usual'?
http://www.google.ie/groups?hl=en&lr...ermit.esat.net

It deserves an answer from you.