On Sun 14 Sep 2008 06:12:28p, Saerah Gray told us...

> Wayne Boatwright > fnord
> 5.247:
>
>> On Sun 14 Sep 2008 03:53:54p, Saerah Gray told us...
>>
>>> So children should starve because their parents can't or won't get a
>>> job?
>>
>> No, the children should be taken away from them and put up for
>> adoption. The kids shouldn't have parent(s) who won't provide for
>> them, and the parent(s) shouldn't be allowed to keep them.
>
> Wayne, if the children go into the (already bursting at the seams)
> foster care system, the government is still paying out money to those
> who raise them. Not everyone on welfare goes on it when their child is
> born; are you insinuating that the working class should be disallowed
> from having children?

I'm not insinuating anything. I'm *stating* that welfare *abusers*
(abusers for any reason) should have either severely limited or no benefits
at all. And, yes, under those circumstances, I believe the children should
be removed to a better envirornment. Further, that the adult recipients
should be limited from having further children.

> If I lost my job, the likelihood that I would be able to find another
> with equal pay and benefits would be very slim. Granted, I have family
> who would either help me out financially until I could find a comparable
> job, or at least offer me a place to live with my daughter, but if not
> fot that, I would be forced to apply for aid. Yes, some people abuse
> they system. But saying that there should be no safety net in a country
> as well-to-do as ours is, and that people who find themselves in
> unfortunate situations, often beyond their control, should have their
> children taken from them, is horrific, to say the least. What's next, 'A
> Modest Proposal" ?

I am not suggesting that you fit into this category. Many conscienctious
individuals and families end up on the welfare rolls for some period of
time, often through no fault of their own. These are not the people I'm
talking about. They need help, and while they're receiving it, they most
often find other employment and get on with their lives. However, where I
live, welfare abuse in any conceivable form is prevalent. Those for whom
welfare is an expected way of life do not deserve the benefits. And,
frankly, I don't give a damn what happens to them. "Professional welfare
families" should most definitely have their kids removed. They might think
twice about having another eight kids, since they wouldn't be receiving
benefits for them. Sometimes horrific measures are necessary.

When I lost my job in 2002, I couldn't even get medical assistance through
the state's program, which I sorely needed. The reason? Because I was
single, had no children, and owned a 10 year old car!

Don't even begin to try to tell me that I was less deserving or that this
was fair, when some people who have never worked a day in their life go
trailing into the welfare office with five or eight kids and get everything
under the sun, including absolutely free medical care.

I don't have a solution, but I will clearly state that the welfare system
is seriously ****ed up.

--
Wayne Boatwright

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