On Sep 20, 6:10 pm, Bob Simon > wrote:

> This is the third rise. Before I take out the dough, the bread
> machine has:
> mixed and kneaded the dough
> 40 min first rise
> 40 sec "gas squeeze out"
> 36 min second rise

OH-- I get it. I have never really observed what my machine's doing
during that 1 hour 40 minutes and didn't realize this is where you
were counting the first and second rises.

I also like to bake em in the regular oven. I have two identical
ABM's (inherited the secondone) and can make two loaves at once. Yes,
I hate that hole too and like the conventional shape of a loaf.

Whatever you do, be mindful of that paddle. I somehow tossed mine and
went thru considerable hassle and expesne to get a replcmnt.