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On 2008-11-18, Batman > wrote:

> These people are who they are trying to save. I challenge anyone to
> look at them all and wonder about abortion. Make sure you look at the
> faces. Then you realize these are real people that wanted to live just
> like you or I or anyone around us.

I have watched these threads grow without reading them, but it seemed
like it might be interesting so I just jumped in and may as well add my
2c worth - sorry to pick on you to respond to - nothing personal:-)

If foetuses want to live it is certainly not in exactly the same sense
that you or I want to live. Their pregnant mothers do (generally) want
to live, and if it is in the same sense that I want to live then that
means being in control of their own bodies. Personally I don't think you
can have any reasonable system of human rights that applies equally to
foetuses without resulting in a dilemma in the case of a woman who
chooses an abortion - though there is scope for rational debate.

If you believe in a creator who is displeased by abortions then that is
one thing, no sane woman would want to find herself contemplating an
abortion either. But if you believe in a creator that would be pleased
to see us forcibly deny women the exercise of their free will should
such a situation occur, then that is quite another. Although I am an
atheist I don't have anything against Christians per se, I know some
very nice ones, all of them "pro-choice"! <http://www.rcrc.org/>

Ian

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Ian Gregory
http://www.zenatode.org.uk/ian/