On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 10:48:26 -0500, tar~bal wrote:

> "KK" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 09:34:27 -0500, tar~bal wrote:
>>
>>> "KK" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 23:31:52 +0000, BaJoRi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Flip it around. Pushing an agenda in school is how people, whether
>>>>> gays or religious bozos, seek to influence the thought processes on
>>>>> their issue. Simple enough, even for you.
>>>>
>>>> And I've repeated ad nauseum: I'd oppose that agenda in school, also
>>>> - or any religious agenda - but neither of those gives any moral,
>>>> legal, or practical reason against *** marriage.
>>>>
>>>> I'm actually glad to see that the tactic is shifting from opposing
>>>> *** marriage itself to the running-scared strategy of warning that
>>>> the sky will fall if these people are allowed what they're entitled
>>>> to.
>>>
>>> Because we have already worn the path ragged with all of the direct
>>> reasons that gays shouldn't be allowed to call their "unions"
>>> marriage.
>>
>> So you've moved from the direct, relevant reasons you've had sucess
>> with and moved instead to the tangential, FUD reasons ... because the
>> first set made so much sense? Sure.
>
> Do you find it productive to repeat yourself day in and day out on
> usenet? I mean, it may be, but what fun is that?

It's just unusual to retreat from a solid argument to a weaker one,
that's all.



>
> I've argued that it's a gravy grab for job benefits. I've argued that
> it's not a marriage. I've argued that they don't have special rights
> based on who they have sex with.
> I've argued that they have an agenda.


And those are good reasons for you not to like it or agree with its
morality as it applies to yours, but no reason to legally refuse them.


>
> My opinion hasn't changed on any of that. Or should I say, no one has
> presented me with an argument that has changed my perspective.
>
> One thing I have changed my mind about is that I believe that there are
> some gays that didn't choose to be ***. I still maintain that there are
> a large number of people out there that made a conscious decision to be
> ***, but I concede that there are a number of cases that didn't make a
> choice. I'm quite sure that the ones that made the choice to be ***
> could make the choice to be straight again, I'm not so sure about the
> ones that didn't choose.

Well, it's intellectually honest of you to mention that. I haven't seen
much of that here coming from anyone other than you or me.