blake murphy wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:32:41 -0800, Dave Bugg wrote:
>
> > Gloria P wrote:
> >> islation. About damn time.
> >>>
> >>> nb
> >>
> >>
> >> Are yu saying that California DOESN'T need immigrant labor to grow and
> >> pick fruit, vegetables, and th9ings like wine grapes?
> >
> > I think the issue is more of legal migrant labor vs ILLEGAL alien labor.
> >
> >> Believe it or not, many illegals do pay taxes if they work for a
> >> reputable employer and aren't paid in cash.
> >
> > In order to do so, however, illegals have to forge and falsify
documents,
> > which many times involves identity theft.
> >
> >> And since they aren't
> >> legal, they can't claim refunds.
> >
> > Which is ok with me. It has been demonstrated that ILLEGAL aliens (not
legal
> > migrant laborers) are a negative drain on social services.
>
> i think i would like to see a cite on that. it is widely bandied about,
> but i don't think it has been demonstrated. cheap labor usually provides
> benefits to *somebody*.


Why do you think states like Kalifornia are dead broke, blake? Illegals
are a HUGE drain on the social welfare spending (schools, hospitals, etc.)
of many states...not to mention ballooning law enforcement costs, the costs
to build new prisons, etc.

My backwoods rural home county in Western Illannoy is planning to build a
new jail. The old one is only 25 years old, but they are getting funding to
buy a new one to hold well over 100 prisoners (the county only has 16,000
peeps in total). Where will these prisoners come from? The majority of
them will be illegals who are "farmed out" from the over - crowded jails of
larger Illinois - Iowa municipalities. They are in stir because they've
been caught drug running on the Interstate 80 corrider, which is the primary
East - West drug supply route for much of the nation.

So yeah, that poor rural county will have some economic "benefit" from the
presence of illegals, that jail will be one of the largest employers in the
county once it's built...

When I was a kid the legal Mexican migrants would come up to our county for
the harvest season to pick the tomatoes and stuff for the Heinz factory
across the Mississippi River in Iowa. A number of them stayed, became good
citizens, prosperous even. They were welcome because even 40 - 50 years ago
the population of the place was declining, their economic activity and
spending were most welcome in the local economy. Now there is a "second
wave" coming in, but these are primarily illegals and they are there because
of criminal activity - such an advancement!

This is only one example in one obscure place that's nowhere near the border
states. Multiply this scenario by many thousands all over the country and
you'll see the costs *quickly* add up...

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