On Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:17:11 -0600, Gregory Morrow wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:32:41 -0800, Dave Bugg wrote:
>>
>>> Gloria P wrote:
>>>> islation. About damn time.
>>>>>
>>>>> nb
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are yu saying that California DOESN'T need immigrant labor to grow and
>>>> pick fruit, vegetables, and th9ings like wine grapes?
>>>
>>> I think the issue is more of legal migrant labor vs ILLEGAL alien labor.
>>>
>>>> Believe it or not, many illegals do pay taxes if they work for a
>>>> reputable employer and aren't paid in cash.
>>>
>>> In order to do so, however, illegals have to forge and falsify
> documents,
>>> which many times involves identity theft.
>>>
>>>> And since they aren't
>>>> legal, they can't claim refunds.
>>>
>>> Which is ok with me. It has been demonstrated that ILLEGAL aliens (not
> legal
>>> migrant laborers) are a negative drain on social services.
>>
>> i think i would like to see a cite on that. it is widely bandied about,
>> but i don't think it has been demonstrated. cheap labor usually provides
>> benefits to *somebody*.
>
> Why do you think states like Kalifornia are dead broke, blake? Illegals
> are a HUGE drain on the social welfare spending (schools, hospitals, etc.)
> of many states...not to mention ballooning law enforcement costs, the costs
> to build new prisons, etc.
>

illegal immigrants cannot collect welfare. they must be treated in
emergency rooms, that much is true, along with all the citizens who don't
have health insurance. and i doubt there's much of an illegal immigration
population in jails, since they would be deported.

> My backwoods rural home county in Western Illannoy is planning to build a
> new jail. The old one is only 25 years old, but they are getting funding to
> buy a new one to hold well over 100 prisoners (the county only has 16,000
> peeps in total). Where will these prisoners come from?

see above.

blake