On Mar 22, 2:05*am, sf > wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 19:16:12 -0700, Gunner Asch
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> >On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:26:38 -0700, sf > wrote:
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> >>On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:36:07 -0500, Fat Moe >
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> >>>I'd suggest we need to check
> >>>out our value systems and think about what we think is important and
> >>>what is not.
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> >>OK, let's take notes on our needs and who supplies them. *Let's start
> >>with shoes. *We *need* shoes. *Where's our shoe industry? *Gone to
> >>China.
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> >Only for cheap low end shoes, and shoes of "art". One can still get US
> >made boots and shoes that will last a decade.
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> But there is NO US Shoe Industry left. *Only a limited amount of high
> end specialty shoes are made here in the US. *End of story, you lose.

Lose??? We all lose. This is the only real survival oriented thread
on this group. Don't turn it into a ****ing match for message points
with "you lose" nonsense.

I used to think we needed to protect only our strategic industries...
aircraft, heavy equipment, lcd electronics, etc

> >> We need steel for building skyscrapers and cars, Where is
> >>that? *Gone to China.
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> >Some does indeed. *However.....There are lots and lots of US made
> >steel readily available at junk yards, salvage yards and so forth.
> >Much of it never having been touched before.
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> Again, you lose. *The real steel industry is gone for good.

We make specialty steel. They make bulk steel.

> >> Who mills American grown lumber grown on the
> >>West Coast and sold in the US? *China. *It's less expensive to ship
> >>our logs over there and ship the milled lumber back here to sell in
> >>the US.
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> >True indeed.
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> >However..one can set up ones own mill in ones back yard or rented
> >property and turn out just as much as you wish.
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> Once again, it's a specialty industry... mass production is gone, you
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> Three times, you're out. *

Lose the attitude.