"Mack A. Damia" schrieb :
> On Fri, 22 May 2009 13:50:20 +0200, "Michael Kuettner"
> > wrote:
>
>
>>> Germany pretended to own Mexico in the 1860's. Many countries
>>> including the U.S. did not recognize them.
>>>
>>Since there was no Germany until 1871, that would be a neat trick.
>
> I'm not going to continue this "debate" after this message, cuz it
> ain't one.
>
That's OK with me ...
> "A region named Germania inhabited by several Germanic peoples has
> been known and documented before AD 100. Beginning in the 10th
> century, German territories formed a central part of the Holy Roman
> Empire that lasted until 1806. During the 16th century, northern
> Germany became the centre of the Protestant Reformation. As a modern
> nation-state, the country was first unified amidst the Franco-Prussian
> War in 1871."
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germany
>
> So there were Germanic tribes and Germanic territories before 1870.
> Golly, do you think they had any culture - maybe "sausage making"?
>
Please note the difference between "Germanic tribes" and Germany.
And nothing in the Wikipedia link contradicts anything I've said.
Now write a short essay telling us the common culture of Bavaria and
Frisia. It'll be a rather short essay ...
A hint : You're being mislead by the vagaries of the English language.
In German it's "Germanen" and "Deutschland", and thusly "germanisch"
and "deutsch", which isn't as misleading as "germanic" and "german".
>>>>While there is a German influence, it had nothing to do with Maximilian.
>>>
>>> Most Austrians considered themselves German.
>>
>>Nonsense.
>
> Why do you think Hitler annexed Austria in 1938?
>
(a) Because the 3rd Reich was bankrupt. He needed the gold
reserves and the foreign currency reserves of the Austrian Natonal
Bank to buy goods necessary for arms production. Those were
only sold for hard currency; which the Reichsmark wasn't.
(b) Misguided ideology and other delusions
(c) Various strategic reasons
(d) Remember my hint about 1866 (Königgrätz)
>>The question was whether the German speaking countries of the ex -
>>Holy Roman Empire of German Nation would be unified under Austrian
>>or Prussian rule. We lost in 1866.
>
> This isn't about hostory and politics, it's about food.
>
My point is only about the historical aspect.
>>> Austrians love sausage, too. Max was a Hapsburg (burg?)
>>>
>>Habsburg. But of a side-line.
>>And yes, we like our sausages. Thusly our "Würstlstand", a shop
>>where you can buy hot sausages (Frankfurter, Burenwurst, Debreziner,
>>Weißwurst, Bratwurst, etc) as a snack until 5 in the morning.
>>
>>> Actally the statement stood alone. Everything I said is correct. You
>>> are the one making connections. As I said, this wasn't a history
>>> lesson
>>>
>>Well, then don't try to make statements about history.
>
> German culture in Mexico - that was the focus.
What German culture ?
The Walzer is Austrian; Stelze is Bavarian and Austrian;
Eisbein is Northern German.
I could go on ...
>>
>>> German culture flourished in Mexico in the 1800s.
>
>>Which German culture ?
>
> Culture doesn't stop at political boundary lines.
>
>>The culture in Germany after 1871 was definitely different from
>>the culture of the Holy Roman Empire.
>
> That sounds stupid!
>
> You mean on Decmeber 31, 1871, Otto blew the whistle and said, "time
> to change cultures"?
>
No, the "Kleindeutsche Lösung" (unification under Prussia) generated
first the national myth of the new nation. Germanic ancestors -> Arier
-> two world wars.
That's of course the short version; but it would take too long to explain
how Prussia imprinted itself on nowadays Germany.
>>> It was spurred by
>>> increased immigration - Germans/Austrians and Eastern Europeans
>>> flocked to America's shores bringing there cultures with them.
>>>
>>Nobody claimed otherwise.
>>
>>> To deny this is sheer stupidity.
>>>
>>Yes. But that immigration had nothing to do with Maximilian.
>
> German culture, which is what I've said from the beginning.
>
What German culture ? see above ...
>>> The Mexicans had chorizo from Spain - highly spiced to preserve it -
>>> the Germans added their skills and recipes over the decades.
>>>
>>> (Deitrich Chorizo is a brand here)
>>>
>>Deitrich or Dietrich ?
>>
>>> The Mexicans call all sausage chorizo. I can buy German wurst as well
>>> as English sausages (bangers) - all made locally.
>>>
>>> Best of the day!~
>>> mad
>>
>>Servus,
>>
>>Michael Kuettner
>
> You're contentious and pedantic,
Pedantic ? I'm just telling you that you know less about Europe
than you think.
> old chap, and don't focus on the
> issues. The theme was German culture in Mexico, and everything I
> mentioned was relevent..
>
What German culture ? see above ...
> I'll mentioned Hitler invading Austria again. He was born in Austria
> and considerd himself a German -as many Austrians did.
>
> Godwin's Law. End of thread.
Ah, we're from "most" down to "many". If you look up
"Deusch-Nationale Partei" you'll find that the percentage dwindled
to "some" after 1866.
Good-bye and enjoy your ignorance.
Cheers,
Michael Kuettner