"Michael Kuettner" > wrote in
:

>> But you see I had already pointed out that the Swastiska was as old
>> as the Neolithic period and had its modern origins in Indian
>> symbolism.
>
> I seriously doubt that the Scandinavian use of the symbol had anything
> to do with India.

How so? Are you saying there was no neolithic connection between India
and Sweden?

>> You *added* that the Nazi use of the symbol was cribbed from
>> decorations found on Swedish fireplaces, but you actually failed to
>> say how it got there or what its significance was.
>>
> No, I said that the swastika was the emblem of the _airline_ of
> Göring's father in law.

Got a picture or a substantiating passage somewhere? I was unable to
find anything that stated this.

> I don't know where you got the fireplaces from.

I was being generic, indicating that swastikas were used in commonplace
object, not just the fuselage of airplanes.

>> However, you might have missed the fact that the swastika (or
>> hakenkreuz in German) was worn by WWI pilots, of which Göring was
>> one, as a symbol of good luck. It was the good luck charm of pilots
>> on both sides of the lines, including Fitz Beckhardt and Werner Voss
>> (Von Richthofen's wingman for a while).
>
> Yes, there was that, too.
> The Swastika was a good luck charme and a sun symbol.
> But I seriously doubt any Indian influence.

Boy, you'd be NO fun in Indo-European linguistics classes.

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastik..._early_20th_ce
>> ntury
>>
>> The story about the Swedish fireplace decoration may or may not be
>> true, but it is more likely that Göring picked it up from flyers'
>> superstitions.
>
> I still have no idea where you found the fireplace.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_vo...Rosen_swastika

As it turns out I was wrong about the timing of the fireplace incident
(but not the incident itself) and you were wrong about the Swedish
airline thing and about Göring. The fireplace incident post-dated the
choice of the emblem by Hitler (therefore Göring was not connected as you
suggested as he first met Hitler two years later), but von Rosen's emblem
was used on *Finnish*, not Swedish aicraft, which makes sense as the
Finns had it throughout he war.

QED, end of discussion.

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