Michel Boucher wrote:
> "Michael Kuettner" > wrote in
> :
>
>>> But you see I had already pointed out that the Swastiska was as old
>>> as the Neolithic period and had its modern origins in Indian
>>> symbolism.
>>
>> I seriously doubt that the Scandinavian use of the symbol had anything
>> to do with India.
>
> How so? Are you saying there was no neolithic connection between India
> and Sweden?
>
Yes, I'm saying exactly that.
At least, no traces have been found.

>>> You *added* that the Nazi use of the symbol was cribbed from
>>> decorations found on Swedish fireplaces, but you actually failed to
>>> say how it got there or what its significance was.
>>>
>> No, I said that the swastika was the emblem of the _airline_ of
>> Göring's father in law.
>
> Got a picture or a substantiating passage somewhere? I was unable to
> find anything that stated this.
>
It's somewhere in Maser or Kershaw. They're citing an interrogation with
Göring around the Nürnberg trials.

>> I don't know where you got the fireplaces from.
>
> I was being generic, indicating that swastikas were used in commonplace
> object, not just the fuselage of airplanes.
>
Your post :
<start quote>
> You *added* that the Nazi use of the symbol was cribbed from decorations
> found on Swedish fireplaces, but you actually failed to say how it got
> there or what its significance was.
<end quote>
Since you were adressing me ...

>>> However, you might have missed the fact that the swastika (or
>>> hakenkreuz in German) was worn by WWI pilots, of which Göring was
>>> one, as a symbol of good luck. It was the good luck charm of pilots
>>> on both sides of the lines, including Fitz Beckhardt and Werner Voss
>>> (Von Richthofen's wingman for a while).
>>
>> Yes, there was that, too.
>> The Swastika was a good luck charme and a sun symbol.
>> But I seriously doubt any Indian influence.
>
> Boy, you'd be NO fun in Indo-European linguistics classes.
>
Exactly. Since the use of the swastika _pre-dates_ the forming of
the Indo - European language group, it would be nonsense to see
it as a symbol typical for this group. Plus, The Finnish language
is not Indo-European, eg.

>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastik..._early_20th_ce
>>> ntury
>>>
>>> The story about the Swedish fireplace decoration may or may not be
>>> true, but it is more likely that Göring picked it up from flyers'
>>> superstitions.
>>
>> I still have no idea where you found the fireplace.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_vo...Rosen_swastika
>
> As it turns out I was wrong about the timing of the fireplace incident
> (but not the incident itself) and you were wrong about the Swedish
> airline thing and about Göring. The fireplace incident post-dated the
> choice of the emblem by Hitler (therefore Göring was not connected as you
> suggested as he first met Hitler two years later), but von Rosen's emblem
> was used on *Finnish*, not Swedish aicraft, which makes sense as the
> Finns had it throughout he war.
>
> QED, end of discussion.

Oh, OK. Teacher syndrome, hmm ?
Stay with your "Indian origin". Bye.

Cheers,

Michael Kuettner