In article >,
"Steve B" > wrote:

> "George" > wrote in message
> ...

> > But that is really mean enforcing rules and stuff..
> >
> > What about their self esteem? I'll bet they don't like you... I'll bet
> > they will turn out as clueless and demanding kids...oh wait...
>
> Parents who put self esteem ahead of everything else are clueless.

As with everything else in parenting, there needs to be a balance. Kids
who routinely have their self esteem destroyed don't turn out well as
adults. Kids who don't learn that other people need to have a self
esteem also don't turn out well.

But speaking of clueless, George has been playing Mr. Hard Line this
whole thread. It's obvious that his lines above are sarcasm.

> It
> teaches kids there's no other place than first place

No

>, and that they don't
> have to do as much work as a greater achiever,

No

>and they will be rewarded the
> same as the real achiever.

Another No.

> Our grandkids pull all sorts of crap with Mom and Dad.

Why is that?

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Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA