On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 00:38:58 GMT, Benji Z-Man >
wrote:

>On 26/04/10 10:20, Juan Anonly wrote:
>> On 2010-04-25 16:42:08 -0700, Dave Bugg said:
>>
>>> Juan Anonly wrote:
>>>> On 2010-04-25 15:39:56 -0700, Omelet said:
>>>>
>>>>> Gun ban laws only affect law abiding citizens.
>>>>
>>>> Great! Where can I got to be protected by "gun ban" laws?
>>>
>>> Great Britain. Japan. A buncha places all around the globe.
>>>
>>>>> They do NOT affect criminals who will be armed regardless of laws.
>>>
>>>> This assumes that if we had "gun bans", then criminals would have
>>>> plenty of opportunities to buy guns. But logically they would have as
>>>> tough a time buying guns as anyone else. They'd have to violate laws
>>>> just to get them.
>>>
>>> Who says that gun-toting mopes 'buy' guns? And yes, the bad-guys do
>>> violate gun laws. They violate 'gun-free' zones. They illegally shoot
>>> people.
>>
>> If gun manufacturers weren't providing guns to every man, woman and
>> child they could scare the shit out of, they wouldn't have millions of
>> guns to throw around. Thus bad guys couldn't buy gones that weren't
>> manufactured.
>>
>>> And all over the world, anyone with a basic metal working shop can
>>> turn out a gun.
>>
>> And have as good a chance of blowing off their hand as not.
>>
>>> Guns don't simply disappear from a society because they are made illegal.
>>
>> No manufacturing them has to be made illegal.
>>
>>> What does happen, though, is that the innocent is no longer easily
>>> able to defend themselves from an overpowering bad guy. A woman is
>>> left at the mercy of a rapist with a knife or bat or physical stature.
>>
>> Amazing to think so thousands of rapists are killed each year in the
>> use. What is it--500 a day? Also, I don't hink anybody has yet said "Our
>> childurn--we have to think of our childurn!"
>
>Oh the children - we have to think of the children!
>
>Thar. Said.
>
>In my line of work, I have only had to pull out a revolver (legal) in a
>handful of occasions. But I am being exposed to only a very minor tip of
>the landfill, so to speak. And this landfill is for human refuse, my end
>being fraudsters, child support payment avoiders, and so forth.
>
>But that being said, here in Oz, there are no legal guns unless you have
>a specific purpose for it - then it must be registered, legal forms ad
>infinitum, and heaven forbid it's used on a person. Even then, you're
>only allowed particular calibres and nothing semi- or fully-automatic.
>
>It hasn't stopped people from using them, however - only the people in
>their homes who are worried about laws. Gun-related crime still does
>happen, but so does other violent crime. Because the criminals who can't
>get hold of guns use something else instead. Like knives. Or batons. Or
>acid.
>
>The end result has been that yes, gun-related deaths and violence has
>dropped in Australia. But we still have crime, and people still get into
>ER rooms from having been beaten to near-death, or stabbed (I have been,
>twice), or set on fire.
>
>Someone recently said that "guns were a blight on the world". I guess
>that's because swords, bows, arrows, clubs, and worse weren't. I guess
>having gunpowder is what makes the difference.

Yeah, yoose dudes don't need any stinkin' guns:
http://www.art-pacific.com/artifacts...s/weaponsc.htm