Juan Anonly wrote:
> On 2010-04-25 16:42:08 -0700, Dave Bugg said:
>
>> Juan Anonly wrote:
>>> On 2010-04-25 15:39:56 -0700, Omelet said:
>>>
>>>> Gun ban laws only affect law abiding citizens.
>>>
>>> Great! Where can I got to be protected by "gun ban" laws?
>>
>> Great Britain. Japan. A buncha places all around the globe.
>>
>>>> They do NOT affect criminals who will be armed regardless of laws.
>>
>>> This assumes that if we had "gun bans", then criminals would have
>>> plenty of opportunities to buy guns. But logically they would have
>>> as tough a time buying guns as anyone else. They'd have to violate
>>> laws just to get them.
>>
>> Who says that gun-toting mopes 'buy' guns? And yes, the bad-guys do
>> violate gun laws. They violate 'gun-free' zones. They illegally shoot
>> people.
>
> If gun manufacturers weren't providing guns to every man, woman and
> child they could scare the shit out of,

Manufacturers do not provide guns. Not every man or woman is even eligible
to possess a gun. Children certainly aren't. and just how do the 'gun
manufacturers 'scare the shit out of anyone? They don't advertise on radio.
The only ads on TV that I see are on outdoor sports channels when a sports
shooting program is on, and those are mostly for hunting rifles. Most people
who purchase defensive firearms tend to do so by virtue of what is happening
in the world around them, and the realization that they must rely on
themselves to provide protection because the authorities are incapable of
doing so.

> they wouldn't have millions of
> guns to throw around.

Millions of guns aren't being 'thrown around'. I know you are speaking in
hyperbole, but it seems to be the only rhetorical tool at your disposale to
try and define your argument.

>Thus bad guys couldn't buy gones that weren't
> manufactured.

Bad guys aren't allowed to purchase guns. It is against the law. So most
do-bads steal them.

>> And all over the world, anyone with a basic metal working shop can
>> turn out a gun.

> And have as good a chance of blowing off their hand as not.

No, not at all. A competently manufactured gun is not hard to produce. In
fact, there is a good percentage of 'home manufactured' guns that are sold
and used illegally.

>> Guns don't simply disappear from a society because they are made
>> illegal.

> No manufacturing them has to be made illegal.

Which will never happen. But if it did, hundreds of thousands of home-grown
guns would make it into the black market bringing huge bucks to those who
wish to take the risk selling them.

>> What does happen, though, is that the innocent is no longer easily
>> able to defend themselves from an overpowering bad guy. A woman is
>> left at the mercy of a rapist with a knife or bat or physical
>> stature.

> Amazing to think so thousands of rapists are killed each year in the
> use.

See, this is an example of just how blighted your sense of gun use is. The
vast majority of bad guys who attempt to prey on those who carry a gun are
not foiled from their attack because they are shot; they are dissuaded
because the gun is produced and they SEE the gun. They then turn tail and
run, peeing themselves in the process. Over the last twenty-two years, this
has been MY personal experience: I never had to shoot the goblins trying to
mug me, all I had to do was produce my carry gun. No shots, no blood. The
same holds true for would-be rapists going up against women who carry a gun.

> Also, I don't hink anybody has yet said
> "Our childurn--we have to think of our childurn!"

We typically hear that from hoplophobes.

--
Dave
What is best in life? "To crush your enemies, see them driven before
you, and to hear the lamentation of the women." -- Conan