On alt.food.vegan, Sidney Lambe > wrote:
> On alt.food.vegan, Romanise > wrote:
>> On May 7, 2:46=A0am, Sidney Lambe > wrote:
>>> On alt.food.vegan, Romanise > wrote:
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>>> > On May 6, 6:17=3DA0pm, Sidney Lambe > wro=
>> te:
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>>> >> You can't keep goats or cows or buffalos without land.
>>>
>>> > In India many without land often living in mid size towns keep a cow
>>> > or two, a buffalo, or a couple of goats.
>>>
>>> If they don't have land to graze these animals on, how do they
>>> eat, Einstein?
>>
>> They buy cattle-feed. Most towns have markets for cattle-feed where
>> farmers from neighbouring villages bring their green corn stock,
>
> Then they are being subsidized by the government. A real peasant
> can't afford to feed a dog. Their dogs have to live off of rats
> and such. Feeding a cow for milk products is so incredibly inefficient
> that it is a sad joke. Those farmers could be bringing in food to
> feed those people directly.
>
> Listen very closely. This is the last time I am wasting my energy
> trying to educate you in the realities of agriculture.
>
> A mature cow requires a minimum of an acre of natural land to
> feed it. And this acre has to be as lush and verdant as the
> Garden of Eden. An acre is 43,560 square feet. In the real world,
> 10 acres of grassland per cow would be the average. That same
> acre could devoted to raising food for the animal. 'Wastes' from
> larger plots devoted to farming could also be used to feed the
> animal. Both of these latter solutions are unsustainable.
>
> That acre can feed 20 herbies. That's right, a pure vegetarian can
> live off of 1/20 of an acre of no-till, bio-intensive gardening.
> This is a maintenance diet, and it's better to double the size
> of the individual garden to 1/10 of an acre per person.
>
> You are promoting the false idea that someone can keep cattle
> without any land, and this is absurd. That minimum of an
> acre of land is needed to feed that cow and that acre could
> feed 20 people instead.
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> That cow will drink more water than those 20 people would need
> to maintain their gardens.
>
> Now I invite you to the comforts and pleasures of my killfile.
>
> [delete]
>
> Sid
>

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From: Romanise >
Subject: No Milk (Was: Harnessing the sun to keep milk fresh : A story
from Goa)

Using land to produce fodder for dairy cows is something that only
very wealthy (in global terms) people can afford. It is an absurdly
inefficient use of water and arable land and labor.

There is widespread hunger in India and this stupid practice is
one of the main reasons for it.

Corn, which is a grain, is very rich in protein. That's why it is
used for fodder, often stored in silage. For human consumption,
drying is the preferred form of preservation in 'primitive' cultures.
It stores a very long time.

The corn provides not only whole grain, but meal and oil and
sugar. It is the basis of tens of thousands of delicious vegan
recipes.

Corn came from the Native Americans. THEY did not waste it by
feeding it to cattle or buffalo or goats for a little milk.

(Feeding corn to cattle is obviously not a traditional East
Indian practice. They didn't have corn until the British
brought it to them from the Americas.

I don't know what this clown "Romano" is trying to do. I think
he probably eats animal products in excess and has damaged his
brain.

We alreadly know that people behave stupidly, The idea is to
teach them to behave rationally.

Sid

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