On May 7, 3:31*pm, Sidney Lambe > wrote:
> On alt.food.vegan, Sidney Lambe > wrote:
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> > On alt.food.vegan, Romanise > wrote:
> >> On May 7, 2:46=A0am, Sidney Lambe > wrote:
> >>> On alt.food.vegan, Romanise > wrote:
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> >>> > On May 6, 6:17=3DA0pm, Sidney Lambe > wro=
> >> te:
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> >>> >> You can't keep goats or cows or buffalos without land.
>
> >>> > In India many without land often living in mid size towns keep a cow
> >>> > or two, a buffalo, or a couple of goats.
>
> >>> If they don't have land to graze these animals on, how do they
> >>> eat, Einstein?
>
> >> They buy cattle-feed. Most towns have markets for cattle-feed where
> >> farmers from neighbouring villages bring their green corn stock,
>
> > Then they are being subsidized by the government. A real peasant
> > can't afford to feed a dog. Their dogs have to live off of rats
> > and such. Feeding a cow for milk products is so incredibly inefficient
> > that it is a sad joke. Those farmers could be bringing in food to
> > feed those people directly.
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> > Listen very closely. This is the last time I am wasting my energy
> > trying to educate you in the realities of agriculture.
>
> > A mature cow requires a minimum of an acre of natural land to
> > feed it. And this acre has to be as lush and verdant as the
> > Garden of Eden. An acre is 43,560 square feet. In the real world,
> > 10 acres of grassland per cow would be the average. That same
> > acre could devoted to raising food for the animal. 'Wastes' from
> > larger plots devoted to farming could also be used to feed the
> > animal. Both of these latter solutions are unsustainable.
>
> > That acre can feed 20 herbies. That's right, a pure vegetarian can
> > live off of 1/20 of an acre of no-till, bio-intensive gardening.
> > This is a maintenance diet, and it's better to double the size
> > of the individual garden to 1/10 of an acre per person.
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> > You are promoting the false idea that someone can keep cattle
> > without any land, and this is absurd. That minimum of an
> > acre of land is needed to feed that cow and that acre could
> > feed 20 people instead.
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> > That cow will drink more water than those 20 people would need
> > to maintain their gardens.
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> > Now I invite you to the comforts and pleasures of my killfile.
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> > [delete]
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> > Sid
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> From my kill-log:
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> * From: Romanise >
> * Subject: No Milk (Was: Harnessing the sun to keep milk fresh : A story
> * *from Goa)
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> Using land to produce fodder for dairy cows is something that only
> very wealthy (in global terms) people can afford. It is an absurdly
> inefficient use of water and arable land and labor.
>
> There is widespread hunger in India and this stupid practice is
> one of the main reasons for it.
>
> Corn, which is a grain, is very rich in protein. That's why it is
> used for fodder, often stored in silage. For human consumption,
> drying is the preferred form of preservation in 'primitive' cultures.
> It stores a very long time.
>
> The corn provides not only whole grain, but meal and oil and
> sugar. It is the basis of tens of thousands of delicious vegan
> recipes.
>
> Corn came from the Native Americans. THEY did not waste it by
> feeding it to cattle or buffalo or goats for a little milk.
>
> (Feeding corn to cattle is obviously not a traditional East
> Indian practice. They didn't have corn until the British
> brought it to them from the Americas.
>
> I don't know what this clown "Romano" is trying to do. I think
> he probably eats animal products in excess and has damaged his
> brain.
>
> We alreadly know that people behave stupidly, The idea is to
> teach them to behave rationally.
>
> Sid

Would the idiot tell me what best use can be made of the residue (the
plant material) of all cereals, all pulses, all vegetables, all the
oilseeds ? Feed it to rats and rabbits ?