In article >, "Rod Speed" > wrote:
>GregS wrote
>> Lou Decruss > wrote
>>> (Doug Miller) wrote
>>> spamtrap1888 > wrote
>
>>>>> Unless the cellar is deep underground, cellars still will be warmer in
> summer and colder in winter.
>
>>>> Surely you don't mean what you wrote.
>
>>> I was wondering about that myself. I also wonder
>>> why someone would insist on a chest freezer.
>
>> MORE efficient.
>
>Only trivially. The amount of air involved is trivial.

Nearly all the air drops out of an upright. The thing is, air
has little mass. Its the foods mass which stores the absence
of heat. But, if you keep opening the door, it matters.

>> All I know are not self defrosting,
>
>Plenty of upright freezers are too.
>
>> more efficiency,.
>Thats a myth.

Wrong.
The circulation fan is the main cause.
I know by use. The old refridgerators have less effect
on partially closed containers. Its hard to seal a lot of them.
I think it may have somthing to do with the ziploc bags
in my freezer expanding. They all fill up with air over time, and I
keep letting the air out. IS THIS MAGIC ??
Most of what i say about the refridgerator/freezer subject is from direct experiance.

>Particularly if the freezer is in the kitchen and thats by
>far the most convenient place to have it, a vertical freezer
>is much more convenient to use and takes up less floor
>space and is well worth the trivially lower efficence that
>you get becaue the air falls out when you open the door.

The ideal system is a separate freezer and fridge in the kitchen,
and also a walk in pantry.
One TV show, Chef at Home, has these features with an otherwise normal
looking medium sized kitchen. Nice. I wish. At least I have 2 microwaves and
two turbo ovens and a regular oven, there.