Brooklyn1 wrote:
>
> On Thu, 25 Nov 2010 10:05:54 -0500, George >
> wrote:
>
> >On 11/25/2010 9:09 AM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >> On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 20:57:31 -0600, "Pete >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Brooklyn1 wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, 24 Nov 2010 20:05:31 -0600, "Pete >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> jmcquown wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> "Brooklyn1"<Gravesend1> wrote in message
> >>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2010 11:08:35 -0500, >
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> "Ed > wrote in message
> >>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> > wrote in message
> >>>>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>>>> On 11/22/2010 10:19 PM, sandi wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> (snip)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> That's smart shopping Not many folks know to do that!
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sky
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I've gone in to Wal Mart, taken a pic then taken the camera/cell
> >>>>>>>>>>> pic
> >>>>>>>>>>> to Home Depot and they will match the price +10%. :-)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Because it is not a very efficient way to save a few pennies. It would
> >>>>>>>>> have to be a very expensive item to justify the gas to make the trip to
> >>>>>>>>> another store.
> >>>>>>>> It depends, I suppose, on how far apart the stores are. Where I live
> >>>>>>>> Lowe's
> >>>>>>>> and Wal*Mart are on the same block. If I'm going to drive to one it won't
> >>>>>>>> cost much (if anything) to drive to the other. Just make sure it's
> >>>>>>>> something they both carry
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jill
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> When did you last look at the price of gas... it costs more in fuel
> >>>>>>> just to start your automobile than the small change you may receive...
> >>>>>>> not to mention your time and effort. Like those pinheads who drive
> >>>>>>> ten miles out of their way and then the same ten miles all the way
> >>>>>>> back just to buy gas for 2¢ less a gallon. Anyone all that interested
> >>>>>>> in the small price difference for an item between stores should have
> >>>>>>> before ever leaving home checked on line. Nine times out of ten one
> >>>>>>> will find those items on line with free shipping.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I drive a very fuel-efficient car. I'm not worried about gas prices...
> >>>>>> anyone in their right mind knows it will never be 39 cents a gallon again.
> >>>>>> And I don't live on the left coast, or NYC, where *everything* costs more
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jill
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I drive a 9,000# diesel truck, but unlike a lot of folks I can actually
> >>>>> do math and determine that the 1 mile extra it takes for me to go to
> >>>>> Mal-Wart, Target, Sam's, Albertson's and Kroger all in the same trip
> >>>>> costs me $0.21 so it doesn't take much shopping savings to cover that
> >>>>> cost.
> >>>>
> >>>> That's funny... diesel is now like $3.40/gal... you can barely crank
> >>>> her over for 21¢.
> >>>
> >>> $2.999 here today at my local Exxon station, and off brands are cheaper.
> >>> That $0.21/mile is based on the Exxon price too, I could go lower with
> >>> off brand fuel, but I don't care to put off brand fuel in a $60k truck
> >>> if I can help it.
> >>
> >> Both my tractors are diesel... the larger (43 HP) uses at least 30¢
> >> worth to start and warm up enough to drive... during winter even more.
> >> It's also not wise to turn off a diesel until it's idled for a couple
> >> of minutes, that's why truckers don't turn off their rigs during pit
> >> stops. Diesels don't last long with a lot of short trips especially
> >> with a lot of turning the motor on and off. There is no way you can
> >> store hop with your beast for only 21¢.
> >
> >You really are totally stuck in the past.
> >
> >Truckers didn't turn off trucks because of old wives tale beliefs. There
> >are few legitimate reasons to idle a diesel.
>
> The reason being discussed for idling rather than making a lot of
> starts and stops and/or sudden stops is to save the engine from
> fouling that can cause serious damage.

Not relevant to current generation diesel engines.

> Truckers also leave their rigs
> idling because they are hauling a reefer...

This hasn't been relevant in ages. Refers all have their own independent
refrigeration engines that start and stop as needed. This is why refer
trailers have their own diesel fuel tanks underneath. They do not
require anything from a tractor for their refrigeration and will happily
operate parked disconnected from everything, at least as long as their
fuel tank is kept filled.

> and to minimize that the
> motor may not restart in cold weather. In cold weather I need to plug
> in my oil pan heater, and add anti-gel to the fuel.

This is also not an issue with current generation diesel engines, that
start in cold weather vastly better than the older generation of
diesels. Diesel duel is seasonally adjusted and anti-gel additive isn't
generally need if the fuel was purchased in the season. Private vehicles
and ag. equipment has more of an issue with this since the fuel has a
greater chance of being leftover from the warmer season. Block heaters
are helpful on cold starts, however truckers won't have a cold start if
they shut off their rig for the 20 minutes of refueling. Even after a
required rest period with the engine off, the block is still relatively
warm in all but the harshest northern climates.

>
> >Maybe you have heard of two large package delivery companies named FedX
> >and UPS? They operate more than a few diesel powered delivery trucks and
> >the official policy of both is that drivers must turn off the engines as
> >soon as the vehicle is stopped. A typical route truck driver likely does
> >say 10 deliveries/hour so that is at least 80 stop/start
> >cycles/truck/day with no ill effects over hundreds (likely more)) of
> >millions of fleet operational miles (maybe you should give them a call
> >to let them know what they are doing wrong)
>
> I get UPS, FedX, etal deliveries at least once every week... the
> driver never shuts off his motor, and I know it's diesel because a few
> times a year I meet them at the only diesel pump for 15 miles.

The UPS and FedEx drivers in my area do indeed shut off the engine, even
for the few minutes it takes to walk a package to my door.

>
> >Then not to mention many states have banned idling diesels. Your state
> >did it 8 years ago:
> >
> >http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/air_pdf/diesel.pdf
>
> Your reading comprehension sucks big time, I said " idled for a
> *couple* of minutes". On my planet a couple means TWO. And you know
> nothing about diesel engines proven by how you missed the entire point
> about diesel mechanics and leapt all the way to pollution. In any
> event drivers don't need two hours to eat lunch and visit the head.
> And we are talking passenger and agri vehicles, not over the road
> hauling... get with the program.

Do some research on the new generation of diesel engines that began
appearing in light to medium duty vehicles around 2007. There was a
dramatic change in technology over the previous diesel engines.