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Steve Pope

In article ocal>,
J. Clarke > wrote:
>In article >,
>says...
>>
>> J. Clarke > wrote:
>>
>> >In article >,
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>> >> Your argument is very very weak. If you want to attack the original
>> >> source (the 40% figure) then fine, but given that result and the
>> >> absence of contrary evidence, I have stated the logical conclusions.
>> >> You're just resisting those conclusions because you don't want to
>> >> believe them.
>>
>> >You might want to look up the numbers for US vs world agricultural
>> >production and US agricultural imports vs exports. You'll find that US
>> >agricultural production is a small percentage of the whole and that the
>> >US is a net exporter of food. The US isn't "starving" _anybody_. Their
>> >local governments are the ones that art starving them. Remember
>> >"Blackhawk Down"? Remember why that Blackhawk was there to begin with?
>>
>> This isn't particularly related to anything I'm talking about.
>> Economic activity generally results in pollution (chemical/microbial
>> /radiological) that results in human mortality. This is the
>> case regardless of whether anyone is starving to death, and I
>> haven't claimed that the U.S. is starving anyone.
>>
>> The questions I have posed that you might want to consider are
>> the following: how much human mortality is the result of pollution?
>> (One source says 40%). How much of this is the U.S. responsible
>> for? (My position is the U.S. is responsible proportionately to our
>> consumption; Landon disagreed with this but he did not say why.)
>>
>> That the U.S. might be starving people through its policies is
>> highly plausible but I haven't been asserting that in this thread.
>>
>> (A lot of pollution is traceable to agriculture, so if the U.S.
>> has a disproportionately large agricultural industry as you state,
>> that might make the U.S. more responsible rather than less responsible,
>> depending on specifics.)
>
>So the US is more "responsible" than the part of the world that produces
>maybe 10 times as much.

>You're coming across as some kind of loon.

I think what you're not factoring in is that the U.S. is responsible
for a large amount of consumption, and a lot of it is imported goods, and
so this causes pollution worldwide.

All I'm stating is the U.S., being responsible for 21% of the world's
consumption, is also responsible for the pollution/death/ecodisaster
that is associated with that 21%.

I realize it's not in America's DNA to see anything wrong with consuming.
What you're expressing is very typical denial.

Steve