>I mostly make fruit wines as there are not a lot of excess winemaking grapes
>around, unless I venture out 2 hours north or 2 hours south next year and
>try to get some grapes... just didn't have the time this summer.

Rick:

I'm in Traverse City. It's good you didn't try to make the trip this
year. You couldn't have purchased grapes for any money: about 90%
wiped out by the -25 degree days in March :-( .

Even in the best years begging to buy grapes up here for home
winemaking is a long shot. Of course I haven't looked under every rock
yet so perhaps...

Anyway, there's always next year.

Cheers

Art S.