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Default How producing "ethical, zero-harm" plant food for vegans and vegetarians kills more animals than, well, actually killing animals for the purpose of eating them.

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Jan 1, 9:59 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>> John Kuthe wrote:
>>> On Jan 1, 9:46 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:
>>>> Bryan wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 1, 8:28 pm, "Julie Bove" > wrote:

>>
>>>>>> I do know that animals suffer when we kill them for food. But
>>>>>> thanks to my high school biology class, I also know that plants
>>>>>> suffer when we cut them or pick them or burn them or any of the
>>>>>> other things we might do to harvest them or even make the fields
>>>>>> ready to grow another crop.

>>
>>>>> Hahahahahaha! Plants suffering! You're a nutcase. Maybe you had a
>>>>> kooky high school biology teacher.

>>
>>>> He hooked up a meter to them to register their feelings.

>>
>>> A "feeling" meter, right? What is the SI unit of suffering?

>>
>>> I'm an electrical engineer as well as a registered nurse, Julie.
>>> Talk to me!

>>
>> I don't remember what it registered. I was 15 at the time. I'm 52
>> now. I do know that he had us talk nicely to the plant and play
>> classical music. When we did these things the meter didn't respond.
>> Then he had us burn and cut the plant and play loud rock music.
>> Before we did any of these things we had to announce what we were
>> going to do. Such as... "I'm going to burn you!"
>>
>> Not only did the meter respond wildly when we did these things, but
>> after a few days of doing this, the meter reacted just to our words.
>> So it was obvious on some level that the plant could tell what was
>> going to happen.

>
> I'll bet it was measuring resistance to electrical current flow, or
> maybe even minute electrical charges being produced by the plant. The
> latter I've never heard of, but I'm not a plant physiologist either.
>
> Aha! : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plant_p...8physiology%29
>
> But since a plant does not contain nor possess any type of neural
> system such as animals (and humans, since we are animals) have, I
> think it's a far stretch to claim plants experience any type of pain
> or suffering similar to the way animals (and humans) do.
>
> And I still don't know what your high school biology teacher was
> measuring with a meter. And you apparently don't either, just that the
> meter was moving.


I may have known at the time but I don't remember it now.