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Default USDA changed the Hardiness Zones

Jerry Avins wrote:
> Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
>> Folks still aren't addressing why change is automatically bad. So far
>> the reactions I've gotten are that yes change is in fact bad. I've read
>> enough history to know otherwise. Climate change brings large changes
>> in civilization which across time have been improvements. We live in
>> interesting times. Shrug, so it has always been.

>
> Change is bad -- at least annoying -- because we have adapted to the
> way things are. There are now mosquitoes in Quito, Ecuador for the
> first time since the city was founded. Dengue fever is steadily
> marching north, along with the hardiness zones. To quote John Maynard
> Keynes, "In the long term, we're all dead" Is that how you see it?


What I see is land in the north where there have never been roads is now
becoming valuable enough that roads are being built. Local gross
positive. What I see is land in the south where there have been roads
for millennia is now becoming dry enough that farming becomes less and
less profitable. Local gross negative. What I see is adding that local
gross positive and that local gross negative is very close to a net zero.

Sure, I get that for certain people it sucks. I also get that for other
certain people it's nice. History has always worked that way. Focusing
exclusively on the negatives is narrow minded. Sure enough political
activism thrives on narrow minded approaches. We're going extinct
because a lot of people in Canada and Russia who used to eek out a
living are now doing better! Everyone panic! Not.

When people ignore vast areas of the world and then come to conclusions
I see that they are narrow minded. So I question their methods and
their motivations.

So there are givens -

There is a local gross negative for some. There is a local gross
positive for others. No one has reported the net as other than close
to zero.

And the conclusion -

People are still not addressing the fact that the net is very close to
zero. Thus people are still not addressing why change, just plain ever
present change, is automatically bad. Bad for some does not equal net
bad for everyone. Bad for some certainly doesn't mean good for no one.

And there's an action plan -

I do not intend to retire in Florida. I do intend to retire north of
where I expect the snow line to move to. I do expect to learn more
Spanish because the migrations will continue. And I expect people to
complain because if something's bad for anyone they personally will
claim it's bad for everyone. But that's not how the net effect works.