Bryan wrote:

> > > > > Crisco-type shortenings have killed more people than any other thing
> > > > > people deliberately consume other than tobacco, or possibly alcohol.
> >
> > > > That claim sounds outlandish. Do you believe Crisco gets caught in
> > > > people's windpipes, causing them to suffocate?
> >
> > > No, it gets caught in people's arteries, causing them to die from
> > > coronary artery disease, high blood pressure and stroke. *Tobacco
> > > doesn't kill in the short term either.
> >
> > So what you actually meant is that coronary artery disease kills all
> > those people, and some unknown fraction of coronary artery disease
> > deaths can be traced directly to consuming hydrogenated fats.
>
> Yes. That's what I meant, though the word, "directly," isn't what I'd
> choose.

Without asserting there's a direct causal connection, what was your
point supposed to be?