On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 01:24:24 -0700 (PDT), Rupert >
wrote:

>On Oct 9, 8:06*pm, dh@. wrote:
>> On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 09:37:18 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888 >
>> wrote:

>> >On Oct 8, 9:01 am, Rupert > wrote:
>> >> On Oct 8, 5:45 pm, spamtrap1888 > wrote:
>> >> > On Oct 8, 4:50 am, Rupert > wrote:
>>
>> >> > > On Sep 21, 8:00 am, Goo wrote:
>>
>> >> > > > On 9/20/2012 3:04 PM, Just.Some.guy wrote:
>>
>> >> > > > > Check this out Its great
>> >> > > > >http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A
>>
>> >> > > > It's shit. It's unpalatable shit.
>>
>> >> > > How would you be in a position to know?
>>
>> >> > > > Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste
>> >> > > > like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.
>>
>> >> > > Why?
>>
>> >> > Why do you think they call vegan meat Satan?
>>
>> >> I didn't realize they did call it that.
>>
>> >They changed the spelling to throw people off the track.:
>>
>> >http://www.vrg.org/recipes/vjseitan.htm
>>
>> * * It almost certainly involves more animal deaths than grass raised beef, and
>> in some cases grain fed beef. Not as bad as rice based products, but still worse
>> than grass raised beef if not grain fed as well.
>
>How do you know?

The only way it could not is if there are no wildlife in the area where the
grain is grown. Of course with rice it's not a question due to the flooding and
draining in addition to all the machinery and chemical deaths.