On Nov 22, 10:20*am, sf > wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 08:02:26 -0500, Jim Elbrecht >
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> > On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 17:58:02 +1100, "Farm1" >
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> > >"Janet Wilder" > wrote in message
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> > >> On 11/20/2012 8:23 PM, Steve Freides wrote:
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> > >>> Their grass-fed New Zealand cheddar cheese is delicious, healthful, and
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> > >> I'm trying to picture a big wheel of cheese grazing in a New Zealand
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> > >I'm trying to picture a diary cow grazing on something other than grass.
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> > In this neck of the woods 'grass' is green, and 'hay' is brown. * *And
> > we used to brag about feeding our cattle grain.
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> I remember those days... Kansas corn fed beef was the epitome of
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> > I don't know if it is like those 'uncaged chickens' we hear about.
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> We have a farm up North that raises cattle and free range chickens. *I
> like the way they operate. *The chickens are in the cow pasture and
> their coop is moved every few days. *This isn't the same farm, but
> it's the same method.http://www.horseandbuggyproduce.com/...res/egg-shares
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> > wonder if giving a bovine a blade of fresh grass just before
> > dispatching him/her counts as 'grass fed'.
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> What's the point? *They're pasture raised most of their lives and then
> finished in a feed lot. *If they weren't kept in such crowded,
> horrible conditions for so long and fed pure grain instead of that
> stuff filled with steroids and ground up cow parts, no one would be
> objecting because grain finished beef is darned tasty.
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Even being fed pure grain for very long is bad. The ideal is grass
fed, grain finished, but the finishing should ideally last only a week
or two. When I was a child, the standard was 3 weeks, but after about
a week of grain feeding, cattle are starting to get stressed, as the
pH in their rumens drops.

--Bryan