"Paul M. Cook" > wrote in message
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> "Julie Bove" > wrote in message
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>>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:59:53 -0800, Julie Bove wrote:
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>>>>>> 1 cup nut/seed butter (the natural kind) I used sunseed
>>>>>> 1/4 cup cocoa powder
>>>>>> pinch salt
>>>>>> scant pinch cinnamon
>>>>>> scant pinch chili powder
>>>>>> scant pinch black pepper
>>>>>> 1/3 cup brown rice syrup
>>>>>> 2 tablespoons vegan butter substitute
>>>>>> 1/2 teaspoon vanilla (use the good stuff)
>>>>>> 1/ cup coarsely broken walnuts
>>>>>
>>>>> That's not even close to being a fudge. Those crazy vegetarians will
>>>>> try and *******ize anything and everything to get their way.
>>>>
>>>> The taste is that of fudge. And when I took a bite after I had mixed
>>>> it, it was fine. But it did not set up like fudge and it reminded me
>>>> somewhat of that cheese fudge that we bought at Costco that one time.
>>>> It was yucky. This wasn't yucky but I don't think I really ever want it
>>>> again. The texture is off.
>>>
>>> OK, I'll chime in here. This recipe is typical of vegan crap. They can
>>> call it whatever they want to but it is not fudge. And who'd a thought
>>> cocoa powder was optional but more than a "thickener?" I mean of course
>>> you can make fudge without cocoa powder if you're willing to give up the
>>> thickener, right?
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>> I could be wrong here. I know that you can make nut butter fudge that is
>> cooked or even the somewhat quick kind with powdered sugar in it. I have
>> made both kinds. But for this one, the main ingredients are the nut/seed
>> butter and the sweetener. And the sweetener is a thick liquid. Because
>> the cocoa powder is a powder, I presume it is what is used to help hold
>> it all together. If it were not in there, you'd have a gooey mess.
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> Cocoa is the main flavor. Without it you do not have anything at all but
> a mess. Fudge is sweet but the sugar is cooked to a point where it
> becomes the main texture of the fudge. Cooked too little it is runny,
> cooked too long it is rock hard. So the sugar is not a flavor, it is a
> fundamental element. You cannot make fudge without sugar. And you cannot
> make real fudge without a "contaminant" like corn syrup which is vital for
> the proper consistency as it prevents the sugar from re-crystallizing thus
> yielding a smooth texture. It is complex chemistry stuff, not just a
> flavor.

Yes, I know that. But that is still what she called this.
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>>>
>>> P U. But yes, in this mallard of merde, please do use your best
>>> vanilla. And if "vegans" are so against sugar, why the hell would they
>>> eat cocoa? From their cherished "moral and ethical" pedestal chocolate
>>> is worse by factors.
>>>
>>> Pass
>>
>> Not all people are vegans for moral or ethical reasons. I once tried a
>> recipe for a raw candy that was like Tootsie Rolls. And seriously the
>> end result was exactly like a very cold Tootsie Roll. They need to be
>> kept refrigerated or they'll go too soft.
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> Tootsie Rolls are primarily wax.

I don't think so.
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>> I also tried a brownie recipe that was raw vegan. It was nuts, dates,
>> cocoa powder and there may have been a little coconut oil in there.
>> Can't remember. Process in the food processor, press in pan, chill, cut,
>> eat. Everyone who tried these loved them and they tasted just like a
>> good, baked brownie.
>
> It may taste OK but it is not a brownie. Sounds more like simple granola.
> Which is good but it is not cake.

Was nothing at all like granola. Granola is crunchy! This tasted and had
the texture exactly like a baked chocolate brownie. With nuts in it of
course.
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>> Also have made many batches of raw vegan onion bread. It's perfect for
>> little finger sandwiches and it has the taste and texture of a good
>> quality whole grain bread, perhaps because of the high content of ground
>> flax in the mix.
>
> What bread is not vegan aside from maybe brioche and challah? Flour,
> water, salt and yeast are what comprise most breads. All that is vegan.
> Although there are many vegans who claim eating yeast is immoral. But
> notice how vegans eschew sugar because it is "immoral" but ignore how
> "immoral" wheat can be because hell - you have to eat SOMETHING. Vegan
> purist are some seriously messed up people.

Well a lot of bread has sugar or honey in it. Honey is not vegan and unless
the sugar says vegan, it's not. But this was a raw vegan diet. And yes,
some vegans will not eat yeast.
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>> I went on a vegan diet (and I say diet because I do use leather products
>> and such) pretty much by default. I don't digest most meats well and I
>> can no longer have dairy or eggs. And although I enjoyed the diet, the
>> raw part was a PITA due to all the sprouting of nuts and seeds and making
>> so much that has to be dehydrated at a low temp. I know some people do
>> that diet by eating mainly whole foods and smoothies. But I 'like
>> smoothies either. In the end, it wasn't something I could maintain
>> because I also don't digest a lot of raw veggies well. So... *shrug*
>>
>> So now I do try to eat as many raw foods as I can. But I also eat cooked
>> foods and would consider myself semi-vegetarian. Meaning that most of
>> the time I do eat a vegetarian diet but I do eat some meat. I can not
>> use the term vegan or even semi-vegan because true vegans object to that.
>
> True vegans are even crazier than you are. Trust me, you do not want any
> piece of their action. They are seriously ****ed up people and it has
> nothing to do with what they eat.

You really can't lump all people together like that. Yeah, I have run
across some messed up vegans and frankly some of what they think about
things is wacked. But they sure aren't all that way.