"gregz" > wrote in message
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> Dave Smith > wrote:
>> On 17/05/2013 6:45 PM, gloria p wrote:
>>
>>>> If she was being paid hourly at a rate above the min wage, I don't see
>>>> anything wrong with not getting tips. Most ppl know waitstaff fall
>>>> under draconian wage law exceptions that allow them to be paid a mere
>>>> pittance of a real wage, knowing they can make it up in tips. But, if
>>>> someone is making min wage, are they entitled to tips, also? I think
>>>> not. I've worked in a resto kitchen for min wage and no tips and was
>>>> happy to get it. The real question is, what, in fact, were the wait
>>>> staff actually paid. We may never know.
>>>>
>>>> nb
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I strongly disagree, NB. Regardless of what thy are being paid, prices
>>> are set by the owner of the business to reflect operating costs+profit.
>>> The server, not the owner, is providing the service to the customer
>>> and tips are reflective of quality of service.
>>
>> It is difficult to say when minimum wages vary so much from place to
>> place. Minimum wage here in Ontario is $10.25/hr, $8.90 for people
>> serving liquor. I know the latter is a lot less in some US states.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> The fact that 100+ employees have quit or been fired in a year says
>>> something about the ownership/management. Having watched some of the
>>> video clips, I wouldn't work for either of them, much less BOTH. It
>>> looked like a lot of creepy abuse, attention-seeking and power issues.
>>
>>
>> Again... hard to say. My son managed a microbrewery restaurant for a few
>> years and he had a high staff turnover. Most of them were fired for
>> incompetence, failing to show up for shifts or for theft.
>
> Most servers get a lot less than minimum here, but with their tips, they
> must meet minimum, or the owners must make up the difference. Our state
> law.

That's very sad. People deserve a living wage!