On 2013-09-06 3:36 PM, ImStillMags wrote:

> Personally I would prefer paying a living wage equivalent to what the
> staff would usually earn including their tips and leave the tipping
> up to the customer.
>

We ate in a number of places in Europe were tipping was not expected.
Service was included in the bill, as was tax. The price on the menu was
what you paid, and the the total of the prices of items ordered was your
total bill. Service was good and we didn't have staff trying to hard to
upsell.