"Ozgirl" > wrote in message
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> "Todd" wrote in message ...
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> On 10/06/2013 08:15 AM, Karen wrote:
>> There is a big difference between what the USDA has put on labels and
>> what doctors and registered dieticians actually recommend. The USDA
>> recommendations on the packages are not suggested for diabetic
>> patients. Also, that number is based on a 2000 calorie a day diet.
>> Most of the diabetics I know were told to eat 30-45 g carbs per meal.
>> My dad who is a large man was told 45-60. At most that is 180 per day
>> (I know, still a lot) but the point being still less than half the
>> 375 you are saying diabetics are told to eat.
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> When did I say that? See the next quote below. 45-60 makes
> a lot of sense. Why in the world would you think I was
> recommending 375? That is insane for anyone. That was
> my criticism.
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>>> >Neither do I. I wasn't talking about Diabetics. I was
>>> >talking about the general population.
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> And I was talking about the USDA's recommendation, which
> I think are wrong by the way.
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>> I'm not trying to be argumentive, but you are spreading
>> misinformation. I fully expect you will put me in your killfile
>> rather than discuss the issue.
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> Hi Karen,
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> I think we are talking at cross purposes here. I think
> we are getting T2 and T0 crossed. And USDA vs rational
> crossed as well.
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> And I don't think T0's should eat that 375 a day either.
> I think 100 is probably a better number. And I
> think 60, as I was told, is the better number for T2's.
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> Discuss away. No problem as long as everyone stays friends.
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> -T
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> I never count per day but rather per meal or snack. Back in the day I
> couldn't have handled say 40 gr carb at one time but could if it were
> spaced out and only eating per meal what I was capable of eating without a
> spike. Having said that I think there could be a daily limit at some
> point. Studies have shown that normies will start to see raised
> triglycerides for example, when they eat a certain amount of carb per day.
> I have seen 75% or more being an average figure. I don't always put much
> belief in percentages though. For example, if I am on a low carb diet
> making my protein percentage high then that doesn't mean I am having more
> protein than RDI. I would imagine that 75% would have more meaning if the
> total calorie intake was high rather than on say a 1500 cal diet.

I have also seen studies that say that the raised triglycerides are from
excess carbs of a certain nature. Sugar for instance. I think it would be
a tad difficult for a person to eat an excessive amount of a true whole
grain bread or brown rice because such things are filling. Sure, perhaps if
they were poor and couldn't get any more food.

I have seen people eat HUGE amounts of white bread. I worked with a woman
(she was thin) who said she had a problem. Each night she stopped at the
little bread bakery at the end of our building and bought a loaf of white
bread. She then took it home and ate the whole loaf with butter. That
bread could be had for cheap. Very cheap. Especially at the end of the day
like that. She said the only other foods that she kept in the house were
carrots and apples which she ate raw when she could afford them. She said
her goal was to spend no more than $20 per week on groceries. She did eat
some food at work but I never took lunch with her so not sure what that food
was. I only know that she ate because we had been discussing it.

She was clearly the carb addict type. The rest of us took it all in
dumbfounded when she said that she ate the whole loaf of bread every night.
I had been to that bakery many times and I was very happy that they sold
single rolls and tiny loaves of bread in addition to their other stuff.
They also had raw pizza dough. But I don't recall them selling sweet baked
things which could have led to their demise. They weren't there for very
long. I'm not a big bread eater. I like it but it's not a favorite food.
But it was nice for me to be able to buy a roll to eat with my soup or
salad, or to put cheese on for a little sandwich once in a while. That
wasn't what she was buying though. She was buying a big, unsliced loaf.

AFAIK this woman had no physical health issues but she did seem to have
mental ones which is partly why we were discussing her. I won't even get
into all of that here but the last thing I know of, she didn't show up for
work for many days. Then she did some in as though nothing had happened
(she had been fired by then) and told us all that she was Sade, the singer.
The black singer! This woman was white (I think) but she did have a skin
tone that was slightly on the olive side. She also had massively long,
dishwater blonde hair that she always kept pulled back into a tight bun. I
did see her with her hair down once and it was gorgeous! Anyway... On this
day she came into the store with very dark, badly applied pancake makeup on,
sunglasses and dyed black hair, telling us that she was really Sade. I
can't tell you what happened beyond there because she was taken away by the
police. And I was working and couldn't really stick around to witness the
rest of it.

I guess I am rambling off here. I do believe that her diet could have
brought about the mental issues. Studies have linked certain foods (wheat
and/or gluten in particular) to various mental problems. But they are only
a problem for certain people who may perhaps be predisposed. I also know
that some people who are suffering from a mental illness will self medicate.
They often use tobacco or liquor to make themselves feel better. Although I
am not mental ill, I can attest that I felt a heck of a lot better in many
ways when I smoked. There is something very calming about smoking. Feeling
stressed? Take 5 minutes out and have a nice smoke. Just you and the
cigarette and nothing else matters. So it is also possible that some people
self medicate with food. We have seen this happen with people who have an
eating disorder. But often for them, any food will do. I do think it is
possible that some might use a specific food like bread to self medicate in
a way.

I also think that this sort of stuff only applies to some people. For
instance, my mom, daughter and I all have food intolerances. For daughter
and I, the food that sickens us is not food we will willingly eat. Sure we
have accidentally consumed it despite trying not to. We either didn't read
a food label right or a well meaning person prepared it for us, telling us
that it was fine when it was not. Such as them thinking that all margarine
is dairy free. Or that flour doesn't contain wheat.

But not all people are like this. My mom is just the opposite. Not only
does she eat that which makes her sick but often eats large amounts of it.
She says that she can't help it as she craves the stuff. And we just don't
get that. Yeah, I guess I did crave cigarettes and I did for a long time
after I quit. Now I find them rather repulsive but I would never be one of
those hard core ex smoker who belittles other smokers. Live and let live.
And yes I know that smoking is bad for you. I knew it when I smoked. Just
sort of didn't care then. I just don't get the food thing. Why eat
something when you know you will get sick from it?