On 8/12/2014 12:01 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
> "Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>> On 8/12/2014 11:08 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, August 12, 2014 9:28:27 AM UTC-7, Mayo wrote:
>>>> On 8/12/2014 10:10 AM, ImStillMags wrote:
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>>>>> http://blog.skytruth.org/2014/08/lan...ley-spill.html
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>>>>> move the line in the picture to see what is happening.
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>>>> Yes, and?
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>>>> Does that form the lone outcome for ALL other mine tailings ponds?
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>>> http://corpethics.org/article.php?id=2659
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>> These anecdotes do NOT comprise the soul outcome for ALL tailing ponds.
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>> You know that, but you will not accept it.
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> Nothing lasts forever except ignorance.
I had no idea your legacy was that secure!
> And tailing ponds are guaranteed to
> fail because they must be maintained *in perpetuity* and all their deadly
> toxins too.
No, they do NOT need to be maintained "*in perpetuity*", that's a naked lie.
> That simply cannot be done.
It already is:
http://www.albertaoilmagazine.com/20...ammoth-mop-up/
Suncor calls its invention tailings reduction operations, or TRO. The
process is supposed to reduce the drying time of a tailings pond by as
much as 80 per cent, down to between seven and 10 years from the current
snail’s pace of four decades or longer, reports Suncor representative
Sneh Seetal.
“But with the implementation of TRO, we expect to see, in a much shorter
time, the reclamation. We expect to see a reclaimable surface after 10
years,” Seetal says.
> All tailing ponds are earthen
> structures and are *not* lined as you made up in a previous post.
That is also a lie.
http://www.tailings.info/technical/water.htm
Seepage can be controlled by using either barrier or collection systems.
Barrier systems retain or resist the flow of seepage outside the
impoundment area whereas collection systems intercept and safely focus
the seepage as it leaves the tailings storage facility (EPA 1994).
Barrier control methods consist of liners and embankment barriers to
prevent or hinder seepage passing through the tailings containment area
and into the surrounding environment. Collection methods create pathways
for the seepage to accumulate then flow to controlled locations such as
embankment toe drains. Other types of collection systems intercept the
seepage as it migrates into the environment by using extraction wells
and ditch systems.
> They are simply earthen berms
Berm may be earthen, concrete, bentonite, rip rap, metal, etc.
You are still lying.
> and trivaial considerations like putting them near
> earthquake zones is not usually taken into account.
That's an unprovable speculation at best.
Engineers are quite thorough, as too are regulatory agencies.
https://archive.org/stream/CurrentPr...5-42__djvu.txt
European research project TAILSAFE (2004) completed in 2004 by an
international consortium. However, this valuable work does not indicate
recommended computational procedures which may help in real risk values
estimation, especially for a case of statistically non-homogeneous natural
and man-made environment subjected to various randomly defined external
natural inter-correlated influences such as floods, rainfalls, earthquakes,
tectonic movement of surface geological deposits (rocks and soil).
> There is no technoloigy to clean up these spills.
That is yet another lie!
http://www.mykawartha.com/news-story...er-guidelines/
The provincial Environment Ministry ordered Imperial Metals Corp.
(TSX:III) to immediately take action to prevent additional water and
silt from leaking out of the tailings pond, account for what was in the
tailings and provide a plan to clean it up.
The province said the company met a Wednesday deadline to provide a plan
to stop continued pollution and for a preliminary environmental
assessment and cleanup, though the documents have not been released
publicly.
http://technology.infomine.com/tailingsmine/
A new cost-effective technology to treat mining wastewater and reduce
sludge by up to 90% has been used for the first time at a copper mine in
Queensland.
http://www.tecedmonton.com/Blog/tabi...ngs-ponds.aspx
Assignments were divvied out. Syncrude took the lead on “MFT
Centrifuging”. CNRL focused on alternative polymers. Suncor and Shell,
both with reasonably advanced “thin lift drying” fine clay removal
projects, worked on research to determine commercial feasibility.
Syncrude also took the lead on polymer mixing techniques.
The consortium has a $90 million budget in 2011 to “host” multi-company
projects, and to augment “common-pool” research budgets.
Meanwhile, the consortium with the Alberta government funded Alberta
Innovates – Energy and Environmental Solutions, undertook to execute the
“tailings road map study,” a $1.4 million study funded by both the
industry and government to identify any or all possible potential
technologies to clean up oil sand tailings.
> The damage is permanent.
No it is not.
> And the corporations whose negligence led to it will never be held fully
> accountable.
That is a wholly separate matter.
I'll say it again, YOU trade in disinformation, and you do it with a
nonchalance that is frankly appalling!