On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:42:23 +1000, JohnJohn >
wrote:

>On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:01:50 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:54:02 +1000, JohnJohn >
>>wrote:
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>>>On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:37:43 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
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>>>>On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 22:27:53 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
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>>>>>On 9/12/2014 10:20 PM, Jeßus wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 14:05:12 +1000, JohnJohn >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 21:56:53 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2014 8:22 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 19:53:52 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2014 7:17 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 10:43:23 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 10:18:08 +1000, JohnJohn >
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 09:52:51 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:32:13 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2014 4:55 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/09/2014 4:11 PM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BTW, Greenpeace is being sued by a Quebec company for spreading lies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about its operations. GP has the unmitigated gall to accuse the company
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of using intimidation tactics. Oh the irony!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Point taken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes... because as we all know, corporations are struggling to get any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> governmental support these days, and are struggling to exert any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence on decision making <rolls eyes>...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I always wonder why almost all Australians - from greenies to farmers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - are against CSG/fracking, but politicians are drawn to it like moths
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the light.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Because in reality, we are ruled by corporations. They have gradually
>>>>>>>>>>>> usurped the role of democracy. 'Government' is merely the interface
>>>>>>>>>>>> between us and them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Let's all vote Green then. They're the least corrupt and the least
>>>>>>>>>>> controlled by corporations. Until they come into power, of course.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And if they throttle your economy to a standstill?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then we all start building windmills to re-activate the economy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They don't work when the wind stops blowing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's the peak load dilemma.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The answer is tidal power turbines.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tides are constant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sounds good. Is there anything against that? A nearly extinct tidal
>>>>>>> slug maybe?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But storage is key.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, batteries, nanobatteries.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or hydro power, which works very well here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>In _some_ locales, but isn't drought a factor?
>>>>
>>>>Well, obviously not! Otherwise it wouldn't work very well here, would
>>>>it? The entire state runs on hydro power - for those on the grid,
>>>>anyway. Mine is home made and combined with solar panels. I do use
>>>>batteries for the solar of course.
>>>
>>>Are those batteries available for Joe Homeowner? I thought they were
>>>still in the early stage.
>>
>>Sorry, no, I didn't mean to say I had nanobatteries. Just ordinary
>>batteries.
>
>I meant any batteries. So we can store daytime solar for use after
>dark?

Umm, yes You use solar panels to charge the batteries, then an
inverter to convert it 230-250VAC (for Aus).

Even just a really good truck battery can give you enough power for
one night, depending on what you're using, of course.

The 'proper' batteries are still very expensive, but nowhere near
expensive as they once were, and are far more efficient into the
bargain. There isn't a specific 'solar' battery, really.