On 9/13/2014 5:45 AM, JohnJohn wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 12:26:18 +0100, "Ophelia"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Mayo" > wrote in message ...
>>> On 9/12/2014 7:20 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 18:50:43 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/12/2014 6:18 PM, JohnJohn wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 13 Sep 2014 09:52:51 +1000, Jeßus > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:32:13 -0600, Mayo > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/12/2014 4:55 PM, graham wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 12/09/2014 4:11 PM, Mayo wrote:
>>>>>>>>> BTW, Greenpeace is being sued by a Quebec company for spreading lies
>>>>>>>>> about its operations. GP has the unmitigated gall to accuse the
>>>>>>>>> company
>>>>>>>>> of using intimidation tactics. Oh the irony!!!
>>>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Point taken.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes... because as we all know, corporations are struggling to get any
>>>>>>> governmental support these days, and are struggling to exert any
>>>>>>> influence on decision making <rolls eyes>...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I always wonder why almost all Australians - from greenies to farmers
>>>>>> - are against CSG/fracking, but politicians are drawn to it like moths
>>>>>> to the light.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Because it produces tax revenues, employs residents, and produces
>>>>> gas/oil in a far less environmentally impactful manner than more
>>>>> traditional methods of extraction.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, that's the one-sided pro story.
>>>
>>> No, it's reality.
>>>
>>>> But, regardless, politicians
>>>> should do what people want, especially their potential voters.
>>>
>>> Even if people are ill-informed, emotional, and illogocal?
>>>
>>>
>>>> And they're all against. End of story, you'd hope.
>>>
>>>
>>> "All"?
>>>
>>> Seriously?
>>>
>>> You have some polling on that?
>
> I missed this bit. I'm sure there's polling to be googled. But every
> town we drive through has a sign saying "xx% against CSG" (=
> fracking). xx= generally around the 96 mark.

Really?

I'm thinking that number is unusually high:

THE West Australian Department of Mines and Petroleum has given the
green light to Buru Energy's plans to frack for gas in the Kimberley region.

But the Australian Conservation Foundation said it still had serious
concerns about tight gas exploration in the Canning Basin, noting the
approval came on the same day polling had revealed two out of three
Western Australians were opposed to fracking.

>> It will be interesting to see (if I am still around which I hope not) if
>> they win, how they will cope when all fuel is spent because there is no
>> where else to obtain any. Windmills? How many millions will that take and
>> what happens when the wind isn't blowing. The other answer is nuclear but
>> the greens wouldn't be happy with that either. There is tidal but how many
>> tides are there in the huge areas across USA and Aus?
>
> The Australian countryside -and the English from the little bit I've
> seen of it- is way too beautiful to start polluting and poisoning the
> hell out of it to make an extra buck.

Fracking is done beneath ground, and a given well pad can have multiple
straws extending out from it minimizing the visual impact above.

http://cartss.colorado.edu/images/ho...ingworks_1.jpg

http://www.childrensenvironment.org/fracking.jpg

Now, that said...here is what you do NOT want to see:

http://blog.ucsusa.org/wp-content/up...in-Wyoming.jpg

I think we'll all agree that the spacing on that is absurd and such
density ruins the land.

Having said that your actual coal seam gas areas are not plentiful:

http://ewatercrc.files.wordpress.com...lds-scnned.jpg