"cshenk" > wrote in message
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> Julie Bove wrote in rec.food.cooking:
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>> "cshenk" > wrote in message
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>> > Brooklyn1 wrote in rec.food.cooking:
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>> >>On Sun, 24 May 2015 08:52:54 -0400, Gary > wrote:
>> > >
>> >>> Julie Bove wrote:
>> > > > >
>> >>>> "Christopher Helms" wrote:
>> >>>> > It's a lot easier to spend a hundred dollars on groceries than
>> >>it used to >> > be. I try to stay under thirty dollars per trip and
>> >>it seems to require a >> > little more creativity every month.
>> > > > >
>> >>>> $30 would only buy maybe one meal here.
>> > > >
>> >>> No way, Julie. I also spend about $30 per week or a little bit
>> >>> more. That's just for me though. There's no way you are spending
>> >>> $30 per MEAL for your family of 3 that don't like most foods.
>> > >
>> > > I can get 2-3 days for $30 but that's really scrimping, and my
>> > > cats wouldn't eat. I think the people who claim they can eat all
>> > > week on $30 don't eat very well, or they're lousy at math, or
>> > > they lie. Maybe some people don't include condiments, snacks,
>> > > fresh fruit and vegetables, beverages, and they live on $1/lb
>> > > tube steak... yes there are $1/lb 'meat' tube steaks in the flyer
>> > > this week, one can only imagine. Top round beef (not a pricey
>> > > cut) runs minimally $5/lb nowadays, feeding two adults a four
>> > > pound roast lasts three days here, plus there are salads, sides,
>> > > snacks, beverages, etc. A 4 pound roast barely yields two pounds
>> > > of edible meat, I don't consider that a lot for six adult
>> > > meals... and that's just dinner, what about food for th erest of
>> > > the day? I think those with small grocery bills don't do much
>> > > cooking, they eat out and do take out a lot. I know people who
>> > > don't even have coffee in their house, not even a coffee pot,
>> > > they buy lots of coffee out but don't include that in their
>> > > grocery bill, not the donuts either... they can drop $30 a week
>> > > at Dunkin Donuts easy, that's $30 per person. I shop often, I've
>> > > yet to see anyone with a weeks worth of groceries in their cart
>> > > for $30, what do your think a pound of bacon, a dozen eggs, a
>> > > loaf of bread, a jar of grape jelly, a jar of peanut butter, a
>> > > gallon of milk, and three pounds of apples costs, about $30 and
>> > > that's not eating very well. The way many here drool over bacon,
>> > > fresh seafood, real maple syrup, premium ice cream, polish
>> > > butcher kielbasa, stinkin' lamb, ribeyes and the like no way can
>> > > they get by on less than $30 a day. I won't mention how many are
>> > > always boasting about their $30+ bottles of wine... I buy Crystal
>> > > Palace vodka and diet Coke and still my booze bill runs $20/wk.
>> > > Only way people can grocerey shop for $30/wk is they ain't
>> > > mentioning their food stamps.
>> >
>> > Oh Sheldon lay off.
>> >
>> > Most people who use the roughly 30$ a week rule are buying staples
>> > and cooking them for real.
>>
>> I seriously doubt that. Or they are mostly eating beans and rice.
>> The steak I bought was just over $10 and that's a meal for two. I
>> also bought two packages of beef jerky. That's more than $30 right
>> there! What in the world could a person be eating if they claim to
>> pay so little?
>
> REal food. Baked potatoes, steamed squash, home made cole slaw,
> chicken soup made from a real chicken in a crock pot, pulled southern
> BBQ pork, real bread, the list is endless.

Pretty sure you would not be eating those things here. Not for $30 a week.
Most people wouldn't be eating Southern BBQ pork here anyway.
>
>
>> > The most expensive bread i know how to make is a 7 seed rye with
>> > buttermilk. It costs 1.47 for a 2 lb loaf (translation, 14 healthy
>> > man sized rolls or 18 more regular ones). Now lets assume the
>> > biggr ones your eyes always go for ok? 1.47/3=.49 cents for the
>> > whole lot per person. It is 10 cents a roll with 4 rolls each and
>> > 2 left over. My regular bread costs 75cents for 5 cents a day of
>> > bread each. My cheap bread costs 45cents. Same yield.
>>
>> Pretty sure I could not make it that cheaply. I just made two pizza
>> crusts and that was over $3.00. In terms of flour would be about the
>> equivalent to two loaves of bread.
>
> I have no clue what you are doing wrong but it takes 4 cups of flour to
> make 2 pizza crusts, the same as to make a 2lb loaf of bread.

Okay then. I haven't made bread in a while. If I were to make two loaves
of bread with that flour it would have cost me $6 alone in flour and that
flour was on sale. I also have no clue how big a 2 pound loaf is. I never
weighed my bread.
>
> A 5lb bag of flour has a nominal 20 cups of flour so if you are simple
> enough to use the expensive bread flour at non-sale prices for pizza,
> yes, you might waste 3$ in flour. Normally folks get the cheap stuff
> for what works out as 37cents for 4 cups for a pizza.

The bag of flour that I had, had just about 4 cups in it. Just slightly
more. It was whole wheat, organic bread flour. I don't use cheap flour.
But it was on sale when I bought it. I don't like cheap flour and I think
that the stuff it produces is quite nasty. If that is truly what you use
then you shouldn't be saying bad things about the 98 cent loaf of bread that
I bought.
>
>> > Thats just a sample.
>
> And an example of where you didn't use the right flour if you spend 3$
> on flour instead of roughly 37cents for 4 cups. You don't need fancy
> flour for pizza and in fact, it works better with the cheaper types.

Oh but I *did* use the right flour. This pizza is very good! Chances are I
will never have this flour again. I bought it when I was getting the CSA
packages. I am no longer getting those and AFAIK it isn't available
anywhere else. I made this pizza to use up the flour because I knew that I
had it for a while. Feel free to use your free flour. You claim that you
are eating *real* food. I say you're not if that is really what you are
eating.
>
>
>> >
>> > Shift your eating and get rid of a lb of bacon a week (what a
>> > financial waste that one is) and it's more like 1 egg a day at
>> > most. I am sure that offends your soul but some of us have to eat
>> > more veggies to keep the cholestrol down so instead are getting
>> > carrots, squash, snap beans, daikon, cabbage, and fresh greens.
>>
>> Who eats a pound of bacon a week?
>> >
>> > We do indeed spend wisely and fit the 30$ range per person. I hit
>> > 100$ a month per person usually and yes, we have steak, shrimp, and
>> > other goodies.
>>
>> Then food must be insanely cheap where you live or you don't eat much
>> food at all.
>
> No, it is about 10% lower than some other areas but that is all. The
> difference is we actually COOK. From real live basic veggies, fruits,
> pastas, rices and meats. WE also spend a portion of the weekend (about
> 1 hour) every other week or 2 to run the grinder so our ground beef
> costs generally 3$lb and the ground pork would run about 1.27lb. This
> isnt a huge time effort but something done every 2-3 weeks.
>
And I do too but we clearly do not eat the same things. I would never eat
ground pork. I have no meat grinder and I don't want one. I have nowhere
to put it. We don't even eat a lot of meat. I try to eat it about twice a
week. And I am mainly the one who eats ground beef, although my husband
really loves the White Castle Casserole so he will eat a lot of that.
>
>> >
>> > The average meal here per person is about 2$ for dinner, 1$ for
>> > lunch and change for breakfast.
>> >
>> > That you can't do it, isnt a reason to abuse those who can and do.
>>
>> Most of us can't do it because food just costs more where we are.
>> And most people don't make their own bread. Many people haven't got
>> the time to do it. I do sometimes but it takes me all night to do
>> it. I couldn't do that very often if I were working. And no, I
>> won't use a bread machine. I had one and hated it.
>
> Well, suit your self on the bread making and how long it took you but
> dont abuse those who take 5 minutes out 2-3 times a week to make bread
> with a machine. As to food costng more, no. I aint buying that. You
> are making poor choices compared in cost to mine. It's NOT that
> different. You might run a little higher, but not the higher levels you
> list.

How am I abusing you? You want to use cheap flour and a machine? Go right
ahead. Those things don't suit me at all and I wouldn't want to eat the end
result. And yes, I did have a bread machine and totally hated it.

I am not making poor choices when those choices are right for *me*! You
couldn't pay me to at BBQ of any kind. I didn't grow up eating the stuff
and I'm not going to eat it now. I realize that is the stuff that couponers
eat all the time because they can get the BBQ sauce for free. And if that's
the sort of food that they like, then great! But nobody here will eat the
stuff so it is not the right choice for us.
>
> Sorry Julie, I am not a Julie basher but you've stepped too far out and
> you either really don't understand economically shopping or you are
> making this stuff up. While i suspect the former, others will accuse
> you of the later.
> Carol

Well, I can't say that I am feeling you too much at the moment. I did go to
school. I did take Home Ec and I was the Home Ec assistant. I do know how
to eat cheaply. Thankfully I don't *have* to do that now and I am not a
cheapskate by any means. Just because something is cheap doesn't mean that
I want it. I might also dispute the Julie bashing crap because you sure
fired back enough lies at me for me to kill file you. Only reason you're
not in it now is that I cleaned it out a few months back.