"zuuum" > wrote in message >...
> "Steve Knight" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 15:36:57 -1000, "zuuum" > wrote:
> >
> > >For what it's worth, excessively high-protein diets wear your kidneys out
> > >prematurely. Carbohydrates are the base of the nutritional pyramid.
> >
> > ya that's what everyone that does not know thinks. I guess if you ate huge
> > mounts of protein. but so far no diet has that much protein. nutritional
> pyramid
> > was totally influenced by big corporations. guess what one came out on
> top???
> > the pyramid is pretty much guaranteed to make people fat.
> >
>
> Ok, I am not a licensed nutritionist (like you folks?) and I'm willing to
> stand corrected, as far as whether healthy kidneys suffer *as much* as those
> of a borderline diabetic. I said, "excessively hi-protein diets". I was
> citing a textbook, "Modern Fundamentals of Nutrition".

The information in it regarding low-carb is almost certainly outdated
and discredited. Almost all actual scientific study of low-carb is
extremely recent - mostly done in 2003 and 2004. Prior to that,
almost all "expert opinion" on low-carb was nothing more than knee-jerk
responses not based on any actual research.

But I do need to
> clarify, to me "low-carb" does not equate to only reduced intake of
> processed flour and sugar. Less flour and sugar is definitely a good thing.
> But those are only two
> carb sources. If that is what "low-carb" refers to, it is confusing. Most
> fresh fruits and veggies are primarily carb, water and fiber, almost none
> are _complete_ protein, no? When I hear "carbohydrate", I think outside the
> flour/sugar box.
>
> What contributes MOST to weight-gain is higher caloric intake than one
> expends, as in not enough exercise, regardless of whether it is carb, lipid
> or protein. If one wants to lose weight, the first place to start is to get
> off that ass. LOL
>
> As far as conspiracy theories of the nutritional pyramid go, why do you
> trust your sources unless there is long-standing unbiased research and data
> to support it?
>Looking for a particular results in experiments is not
> scientific. That is sort of the... "this charm repels elephants. You don't
> find any elephants here, do you?" approach. The heredity, age and
> life-style of subjects has to be given as much weight as their diet.