On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 16:40:31 -0700, gtr > wrote:

>On 2015-07-22 03:59:23 +0000, Dr. Edward Morbius said:
>
>>>>> So then WTF is your major mental malfunction?
>>>>
>>>> Going personal so soon?
>>>
>>> No time better than the present.
>>
>> Welcome to the killfile.
>
>A final note, now that your id is pasted in the file.
>
>Whether Iran can manage to cobble together a few nuclear warheads while
>crippled by sanctions or whether they have to wait another 10-15 years
>to pick up where they left off is of no importance to me.
>
>The basic reason why is this: Iran is never going to drop the bomb on
>Israel, if they did they would be annihilating one of the politically
>holiest of political holy lands: Palestine. They'd wipe out what is
>left of the Palestinian people, and ensure that millions of the
>dispossessed can never return to their homeland. They'd also foul the
>environment in Syria, Jordan and Egypt for a generation or two. What a
>looney idea to think they would do that. Oh but they're *crazy*,
>right? REAL crazy!! So very very crazy that we need to sign many more
>billion-dollar contracts with manufacturers of bombs, tanks, planes and
>anything Halliburton makes. We have all the money in the world to give
>to industrialists if we're all real scared of crazy crazy Mooslims!
>Hell--I think there's one at my door right now!! Even if there isn't,
>I should go buy 3 or 4 more handguns, right? So they can rust with the
>rest.
>
>Twenty years ago it was a communist at my front door, and 60 years
>before that it was Italian anarchists--and four two centuries urban
>black predators were outside all my windows.

There's always gotta be a 'boogeyman, either real or manufactured, to
keep the industrialists happy. Not long ago we had Al-Qaeda, now it is
'ISIS'.

>So these are some of the ideas that I'd be interested in discussing,
>but when people can't corral their logical thinking in there ahead of
>their emotional thinking, when they can't subvert their emotional
>anguish to the utility of their rhetorical purpose... well, what the
>hell, I already have radio.
>
>You can be sure that an argument that is punctuated by personal
>invective is a marker that the speaker doesn't want to discuss
>anything, he wants to trade talking/thinking for fighting and noise as
>quick as possible; it's so much easier. The recitation of the daily
>"conservative" agitprop isn't just about propaganda and bogus
>arguments, it's also about *agitation*. Agitation is the most
>important part.
>
>Get a good night's sleep. Everything will be just the same tomorrow.

The fact that the state of Iran (as we know it) hasn't actually ever
started a war also means nothing, apparently. I see no reason why Iran
should not have nuclear power and weapons whilst other countries can,
based on their track record. That said, I'd prefer that neither
existed in any other country either.