On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 17:23:46 +0100, Janet > wrote:

>In article >,
says...
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >I've got plenty of them, thanks. I loaned another friend a hardback
>> >> >book and she let her kid scribble all through it with a pen and crayons.
>> >> > I met a different friend for lunch one day - I was on my lunch break.
>> >> > She let her kid dip his fries in ketchup and throw them at me. Rather
>> >> >than take the fries away from him all she did was say "Gary, quit" over
>> >> >and over. Of course he didn't. I had to go back to work wearing a
>> >> >ketchup-stained blouse. I've been seated in a booth in a restaurant and
>> >> >had kids kicking the back of the seat on the side where I was sitting.
>> >> >Another instance, a kid throwing food over onto our table. As usual,
>> >> >the parents seem to think there is nothing wrong with this behavior.
>> >> >
>> >> >Jill
>> >>
>> >> And there is little or nothing wrong with the kids' behavior.
>> >
>> > I can't believe you wrote that, or believe it.
>> >
>> > Janet UK
>>
>> I wrote it and you should believe it. Stop thinking in generalities
>> and tsk tsk finger wagging and face facts.
>>
>> Do you REALLY think that little kids sit around like statues?
>
> Of course not. But a child who had enough co-ordination to repeatedly
>dip a fry in sauce, throw it across the table and repeatedly hit the
>target;or, kick the back of other peoples chairs, clearly is NOT a baby.
>He's big and old enough to have a clue about acceptable behaviour to
>adults.

Ever see kids play together? Ever see kids play WITH Adults? Kids to
not have perfect judgment and they sure as hell do not have perfect
behavior. Talk to a teacher sometime and find out what kids do.Kids
will try to get away with all sorts of stuff. So will adults. You can
talk to a parole officer about the adult part..

The portions of the brain that are responsible for judging risk do not
mature until after adolescence. Kids will try lots of things. Frankly,
so will adults. I do not know any 8 year olds who can rival even the
simplest episode of a "Jackass" movie. There is no reason why kids
should be held to standards more strictly than are adults.

This whole discussion is of the sort where one thinks one is psychic
because the phone rings and X in on the line, just as X has been in
one's thoughts.

No one recalls the benign behavior of kids *or* adults. It is just
background. It is only when there is off behavior that suddenly it
becomes the bee-all and end-all.

Meh.

> Many times kids just find somethign to get into and no
>> one could have predicted it would have happened. (A FOAF's kid once
>> emptied an entire container of baby powder all over the living room to
>> mimic the snow coming down outside.
>
> You should have seen what my 2 yr olds did with a 25 lb sack of flour.
>Or, with a pound of soft spread. Or the time they flushed oranges down
>the lavatory until it blocked. Or drew patterns on the baby with a felt
>tip. But unlike the child in Jills example, they instantly stopped when
>told, understood they were never to repeat that misbehaviour again, and
>didnt. That's the difference between kid mischief and deliberate
>repeated naughtiness as Jill described.

Nah, there were 6 boys across 3 house in my neighborhood...you should
have seem the ****ing contests. Real ones.

Again, "repeated naughtiness" in front of the caregiver is the
caregiver's fault.

Who gets blamed when the hundred lb doggie jumps up on Auntie for the
umpteenth time?

>
>> Beyond that, though, a kid can get tired, scared, sick, etc,
>
>A sick scared tired child should be taken home.

Try it at 30k feet on a plane. Get back to me with how that works out.