On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 1:07:57 PM UTC-7, Sal Paradise wrote:
> On 8/1/2015 4:47 AM, Roy wrote:
> > On Friday, July 31, 2015 at 10:30:21 AM UTC-6, Sal Paradise wrote:
> >> On 7/31/2015 10:17 AM, John Kuthe wrote:
> >>> On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 08:56:55 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Looks like Kingsford is still the best. I tried Safeway Brand charcoal lighter fluid to save a buck but the stuff might as well be water.
> >>>
> >>> I used horrible stuff to ignite charcoal for years. A can of "waste
> >>> thinner" my father kept in the basement, from cleaning paint brushes,
> >>> etc. I've switched to charcoal lighting chimneys now. Much nicer, no
> >>> petro chemicals.
> >>>
> >>> John Kuthe...
> >>>
> >> One word - sterno
> >
> > For you...diesel fuel...at least a quart.
> > ===
> >
> The United States Constitution serves as the law of the land for America
> and indicates the intent of our Founding Fathers. The Constitution forms
> a secular document, and nowhere does it appeal to God, Christianity,
> Jesus, or any supreme being. (For those who think the date of the
> Constitution contradicts the last sentence, see note 1 at the end.) The
> U.S. government derives from people (not God), as it clearly states in
> the preamble: "We the people of the United States, in order to form a
> more perfect Union...." The omission of God in the Constitution did not
> come out of forgetfulness, but rather out of the Founding Fathers
> purposeful intentions to keep government separate from religion.
>
> Although the Constitution does not include the phrase "Separation of
> Church & State," neither does it say "Freedom of religion." However, the
> Constitution implies both in the 1st Amendment. As to our freedoms, the
> 1st Amendment provides exclusionary wording:
>
> Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion,
> or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
> speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
> assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
> [bold caps, mine]
>
> Thomas Jefferson made an interpretation of the 1st Amendment to his
> January 1st, 1802 letter to the Committee of the Danbury Baptist
> Association calling it a "wall of separation between church and State."
> Madison had also written that "Strongly guarded. . . is the separation
> between religion and government in the Constitution of the United
> States." There existed little controversy about this interpretation from
> our Founding Fathers.
>
> If religionists better understood the concept of separation of Church &
> State, they would realize that the wall of separation actually protects
> their religion. Our secular government allows the free expression of
> religion and non-religion. Today, religions flourish in America; we have
> more churches than Seven-Elevens.
>
> Although many secular and atheist groups today support and fight for the
> wall of separation, this does not mean that they wish to lawfully
> eliminate religion from society. On the contrary, you will find no
> secular or atheist group attempting to ban Christianity, or any other
> religion from American society. Keeping religion separate allows
> atheists and religionists alike, to practice their belief systems,
> regardless how ridiculous they may seem, without government intervention.

Can I still use my BBQ?