On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 1:29:44 AM UTC-7, dsi1 wrote:
> On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 4:40:59 PM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote:
> > On 8/7/2015 2:35 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > > On 8/7/2015 10:22 AM, notbob wrote:
> > >> On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not real.
> > >>
> > >> Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be
> > >> unnecessary and was asking for opinions.
> > >>
> > >>> I think that for most Americans, umami is not real.
> > >>
> > >> I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for Americans,
> > >> despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. Kinda like the
> > >> term "shoyu", which I've never heard from anyone, but yerself, my
> > >> entire life. I've heard of "umami" (though I spelled it wrong), but
> > >> never "shoyu", depite enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs ago.
> > >>
> > >> nb
> > >>
> > >
> > > When I was growing up, calling shoyu "soy sauce" was considered to be
> > > putting on airs and talking like a haole. These days, the young folks
> > > have no problem with "soy sauce." Mostly, old Hawaiians and the Japanese
> > > call soy sauce "shoyu."
> >
> >
> > The favorite here is Ponzu sauce, hard to beat citrus with soy.
>
> I like it too. It's great for folks that find regular shoyu to be too salty. It's what "lite" shoyu should be but isn't.

Sounds like just another "Ponzu scheme" to me.