On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 8:31:41 AM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote:
> On 8/8/2015 12:27 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 7:13:42 AM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote:
> >> On 8/8/2015 2:29 AM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>> On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 4:40:59 PM UTC-10, Japhy Ryder wrote:
> >>>> On 8/7/2015 2:35 PM, dsi1 wrote:
> >>>>> On 8/7/2015 10:22 AM, notbob wrote:
> >>>>>> On 2015-08-07, dsi1 > wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You're the one that brings up the idea that umami is not real.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Actually, I brought up the idea that the term "umami" may be
> >>>>>> unnecessary and was asking for opinions.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think that for most Americans, umami is not real.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think it's only the term "umami" that is unreal for Americans,
> >>>>>> despite the fact we've been eating it for decades. Kinda like the
> >>>>>> term "shoyu", which I've never heard from anyone, but yerself, my
> >>>>>> entire life. I've heard of "umami" (though I spelled it wrong), but
> >>>>>> never "shoyu", depite enjoying my first soy sauce over 60 yrs ago.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> nb
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When I was growing up, calling shoyu "soy sauce" was considered to be
> >>>>> putting on airs and talking like a haole. These days, the young folks
> >>>>> have no problem with "soy sauce." Mostly, old Hawaiians and the Japanese
> >>>>> call soy sauce "shoyu."
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The favorite here is Ponzu sauce, hard to beat citrus with soy.
> >>>
> >>> I like it too. It's great for folks that find regular shoyu to be too salty. It's what "lite" shoyu should be but isn't.
> >>>
> >> Yeah, that resonates for sure.
> >>
> >> And it works on most anything, so versatile is the byword.
> >
> > That it is! 
> >
>
> The other one I love to have on the side is dumpling sauce.
We have a sauce that's used for goyza and mondu. Basically it's watered down shoyu and vinegar. It's great but mostly it's homemade ponzu.
>
> I'll sometimes use it to add some bounce to a velvet sauce dish, like
> Moo Goo Gai Pan.
I like that word, "bounce."
Here's an article on shoyu in Hawaii.
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/ar...l11ataste.html