But if you were another country and it was not included and you knew that
their was a tipping standart wouldn't that be different?

I know when I was in France and the service was included I only left pocket
change.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do. I think that is how it goes anyway.

There is no right or wrong on this issue.. Its strictly cultural and as long
as you know what the rule and game is its ok.



"Martin Field" > wrote in message
...
> I agree - tipping is a cultural thing. Here in Australia
> tipping is not as universal as in many other countries and
> generous tipping is unusual - many people (including me)
> feel it is an abomination. (If tips are given it is
> generally on the inclusive bill for food and wine, not
> separately).
>
> Anti-tippers figure that if we eat out in a classy eatery
> and pay top dollar for the food and often exorbitant prices
> for wine that those prices should cover all overheads
> including wages. We don't tip for other services (wine
> merchants, greengrocers, doctors, dentists, car mechanics,
> cheesemongers etc.) why should restaurants be treated any
> differently? In a sense the argument that we should tip
> because waitstaff are poorly paid is merely an argument to
> enrich greedy restaurateurs - who should pay all staff a
> decent living wage.
> Cheers!
> Martin
>
>
> "Richard Neidich" > wrote in
> message
> nk.net...
> > Principle is ths same...that was my point.
> >
> > I like the way we tip here in USA and don't understand if
> it's not included
> > why someone would have a problem with our method.
> >
> > Chiefly you have to understand the customs of the
> countries you visit...when
> > in rome do as the _ _ _ _ _.
> >
> > "Vincent" > wrote in message
> > m...
> > > Yeah, but if I order a hamburger and a beer at a
> neighborhood bar (or
> > > pancakes and eggs at a breakfast joint), two bucks is
> about all she's
> > worth
> > > (not even that if she's sucking on a cigarette at the
> end of the counter
> > > discussing her personal problems with coworkers and
> sometimes even other
> > > customers).
> > >
> > > Whereas if I order a five-course degustation meal (with
> matching wines)
> > > served by a tuxedoed waiter, seated by an awsome looking
> hostess in a
> > tight
> > > black skirt, with another hot looking babe playing a
> harp, a somelier who
> > > makes a great recommendation, and a courteous young man
> having my car
> > ready
> > > at the door when I walk out (not to mention the older
> man in the bathroom
> > > that's worked there longer than I've been alive asking
> me "How is you
> > > evening, sir," while turning on the faucet, pumping my
> hand-soap, and
> > > handing me a towel), those people are worth at least $50
> for a bill of,
> > > let's say, $250.
> > >
> > > It's not about percentages or about subsidizing unfair
> wages, it's about
> > > common sense -- paying something extra on your own to
> show your
> > appreciation
> > > for a job well done.
> > >
> > > And while most restaurants fall between the two extremes
> I've just
> > painted,
> > > the principle is the same.
> > >
> > > \/
> > >
> > >
> > > "Richard Neidich" > wrote
> in message
> > >
> link.net...
> > > > Ok try this on for size.
> > > >
> > > > Many people make a ton of money working at low end
> pancake houses of
> > > 15-20%
> > > > tips. Why...they turn the table 2-3x an hour.
> > > >
> > > > Dining in a fine food establishment the server
> probably gets to turn a
> > > table
> > > > 2x in 4 hours.
> > > >
> > > > Think of you tip that way. Same % but different time
> at table.
> > > >
> > > > "Dick R." > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > The whole idea of a tip being 10-15% of the total
> bill doesn't seem
> > > > > quite right to me. Take two equally proficient
> waiter/waitresses, one
> > > > > working at an expensive restaurant, the other
> working at a neighbor
> > > > > bar or café. I'll go 15% at an expensive restaurant,
> but I might pay
> > 30%
> > >
> > > > > at a bar or café. People who provide good service
> shouldn't be
> > penalized
> > > > > because of the price of food or wine in the
> establishment where they
> > > work.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just my opinion,
> > > > > Dick
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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